Talk:Ukrainian Insurgent Army
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The UPA were always allies with Germany
[edit]The UPA fought for Germany all the way until the end of ww2 in Europe. Wikipedia moderators are pro Ukrainian nazis Napalm Guy (talk) 10:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have sources for this? KetchupSalt (talk) 12:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
- My source is that the upa massacred thousands of poles, Russians, and Jews from 1941-1945 with the help of the nazis Napalm Guy (talk) 12:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- Sources referenced in the article confirm that for a time UPA fought against Germans, after having been allied with them. Please stop vandalizing the article.Faustian (talk) 05:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Napalm Guy Once again, please stop making edits that contradict the sourced material in the body. Firestar464 (talk) 01:56, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sources referenced in the article confirm that for a time UPA fought against Germans, after having been allied with them. Please stop vandalizing the article.Faustian (talk) 05:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- My source is that the upa massacred thousands of poles, Russians, and Jews from 1941-1945 with the help of the nazis Napalm Guy (talk) 12:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- Fight of Ludvipole 1943, remember 109.229.30.156 (talk) 10:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Citation manipulated to prove false claim in opening paragraph.
[edit]In opening paragraph its stated:
During World War II, it was engaged in guerrilla warfare against the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and both the Polish Underground State and Communist Poland.
with a citation that claims;
While anti-German sentiments were widespread, according to captured activists, at the time of the Third Extraordinary Congress of the OUN(b), held in August 1943, its anti-German declarations were intended to mobilize support against the Soviets, and stayed mostly on the paper.[1]
but when you investigate the citation the full statement reveals more context disproving the claim itself;
The UPA had three main targets: Soviet partisans, Poles, and Jewish refugees, while Germans were generally exempt from UPA attacks.126 While anti-German sentiments were widespread, according to captured activists, at the time of the Third Extraordinary Congress of the OUN(b), held in August 1943, its anti-German declarations were intended to mobilize support against the Soviets, 'and stayed mostly on the paper.' They did not result in any major, or lasting changes in the OUN’s relations to Nazi Germany'.127The OUN(b) leader Mykola Lebed’ opposed military attacks on German interests,128 and Roman Shukhevych strongly opposed the decided anti-German actions, wanting to aim all attacks exclusively against the Soviets.129
which in turn disproves another claim made further down
..From late spring 1944, the UPA and OUN-B – faced with Soviet advances – cooperated with German forces against the Soviets and Poles in the hope of creating an independent Ukrainian state
seems to be some subtle whitewashing going on here and I would suggest the article be further vetted for more of such. Kabiblehopper (talk) 20:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Whitewashing??? Nazi administration executed several UPA leaders in 1942. How do you think they felt towards Nazi Germans? Just because you don't want to find examples of the UPA struggle against the Nazi Germany, it does not mean it did not take place. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- You are free to propose an equally or better source that backs the statement of the article, you can do like the rest of pro ukrainians that have been whitewashing these kind of articles since 2022. Falli22 (talk) 05:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Anti-Russian sentiment
[edit]Modern Russians think too highly of themselves as they really valued by anyone. In reality, it is the opposite. In the Ukrainian Insurgent Army only very few veterans of the Soviet-Ukrainian wars of 1920s had any beef towards Russians, other members of the UIA did not care much and at times felt rather sorry for the Soviet soldiers who were treated badly by their officers. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Consistent national variety of English
[edit]Until recently, this article contained a random mixture of British and American spelling. As American spelling seemed somewhat more prevalent, I have attempted to Americanize all spelling. Unless there is an objection, I will add the Template:American English banner to this talk page and request a corresponding editnotice. Nicknimh (talk) 17:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- As there have been no objections, I will go ahead and do it. Nicknimh (talk) 19:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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