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Correction to HMS Bonne Citoyenne cargo

"[HMS] Bonne Citoyenne was reportedly carrying $1.6 million in spices to England"

No. Not spices. Specie; that is, coined money; silver and gold coins. The line should read "[HMS] Bonne Citoyenne was reportedly carrying $1.6 million in specie to England"

J Fenimore Cooper, History of the Navy of the United States of America, v2, Chapter VI, pp 67-68. 180.229.94.40 (talk) 06:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Today, someone (was it you?) using 72.204.54.180 made this same suggested edit, but did not attach a source to it. - wolf 13:44, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Corrections to the Quasi-War

Can someone verify that the first ship engaged by the USS Constitution, as mentioned by reference 32? Please and thank you. 128.177.55.100 (talk) 03:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Re: "They intercepted Niger off the coast of Charleston, South Carolina, on 8 September, a 24-gun ship sailing with a French crew en route from Jamaica to Philadelphia, claiming to have been under the orders of Great Britain."^[1]

Yes, this appears to be correct. the French ship Niger was the first ship captured by Constitution in 1798.^[2]

References

^ Jennings, 1966 p. 44
^ "Vessels Captured by USS Constitution - Based on Research Compiled by Commander Tyrone G. Martin, (USN, Ret.) 58th in Command, USS Constitution". history.navy.mil. Retrieved 24 January 2023.

Tour Capacity?

How many people can be accommodated for a tour? 188.28.112.235 (talk) 12:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Updated vessel command list.

Vessel recently changed command, I updated the list of commanders, if anyone wants to go through and check if I missed anything go ahead. 97.177.58.134 (talk) 03:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At USS Constitution § Commanders there are some 50 COs who are red-linked. That suggests that they are not notable in the Wikipedia sense. I propose to delete all COs who do not have their own articles. WP:SHIPSNOTCREWS would seem to suggest that the whole list be removed. I'm more-or-less indifferent to that position but there was no CO list when this article was promoted FA. At a minimum I think that all the redlinked and unlinked COs in the list of commanders should be removed.

Do? Not do?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like deleting the entire list would probably serve more harm than it does good. Every commander of the vessel can be considered notable and should be listed. I believe that removing the list can cause some heavy confusion, considered to the average person the list would look like there's way too less commanders than realistically should. I believe for now the list should be left alone 97.177.58.134 (talk) 20:20, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also mentioning that I seemed to have forgotten to at least redlinked the new commander. But in all honestly it just seems a bad idea to delete the list of commands for having unlinked. Other historical naval vessel lists seem to still have their full commanders listed. 97.177.58.134 (talk) 20:25, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Jennings, 1966 p. 44

[2] "Vessels Captured by USS Constitution - Based on Research Compiled by Commander Tyrone G. Martin, (USN, Ret.) 58th in Command, USS Constitution". history.navy.mil. Retrieved 24 January 2023.

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