Jump to content

Talk:Lemmings (video game)

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Good articleLemmings (video game) has been listed as one of the Video games good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
March 4, 2008WikiProject peer reviewReviewed
March 28, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
January 23, 2015Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 9, 2015.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Lemmings is regarded as one of the most widely ported video games?
Current status: Good article

This is a computer game

[edit]

Not a videogame. Computers are not video consoles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.62 (talk) 07:35, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This argument is specious. Consoles are computers—they're a survival of the same primordial soup which also produced the x86-based PC clone market, which contained multiple systems based on various processor architectures which straddled the nonexistent line between personal computer and games console such as the ZX Spectrum and the MSX platform. Additionally, Lemmings was ported to multiple consoles, so even by your own logic you're not even correct. TWinwood (talk) 11:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I have just modified 2 external links on Lemmings (video game). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs. This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 13:03, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RTS??? Sounds like theorizing based on cherrypicking

[edit]

So, the last paragraph of the article is this:

"Lemmings has also been called a predecessor of the modern real-time strategy (RTS) video game genre. A 1991 Amiga Power article claimed that Lemmings "was the first major game to introduce the 'indirect-control' concept," an element that is now common in many RTS games.[73] Blizzard Entertainment developer Bob Fitch said that part of the inspiration for the first Warcraft game, Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, was based on developing a competitive multiplayer RTS that combined elements of The Lost Vikings (which he had worked on) and Lemmings; Fitch said "We just went, 'Oh it's so cool when you see lots of Lemmings all over the place. Why don't we have lots of Vikings all over instead, and then the Vikings can fight each other."[74] Lemmings' introduction of RTS elements has been noted by fantasy author Terry Pratchett; in his novel Interesting Times, an army of golems is controlled in a fashion reminiscent of the Lemmings user interface. When readers asked if this was deliberate, Pratchett responded: "Merely because the red army can fight, dig, march and climb and is controlled by little icons? Can't imagine how anyone thought that... Not only did I wipe Lemmings from my hard disk, I overwrote it so I couldn't get it back."[75]"

So, these are three examples for Lemmings having an influence on RTS games. Let's go through these:

1. If you say "Lemmings has also been called a predecessor of the modern RTS genre", you have to quote that someone actually says that. The Amiga Power quote says it introduced indirect controls. Then for some reason the statement that RTS games use indirect control isn't in quotation marks. Why? Is it original research? Most RTS games I played DON'T use indirect control. You give a command and click on the target. That's direct control. The only RTS I know that uses indirect control is Settlers. Dune 2, Warcraft, Command and Conquer are all controlled directly.

2. The fact that Orcs & Humans were originally concieved as Lemmings meet Vikings doesn't mean it ended up like that. It ended up like a reskin of Dune 2.

3. Terry Pratchett doesn't even mention RTS games. He mentions Lemmings.

These three examples are far fetched and cherry picked, and include some kind of weird theorizing that shouldn't be on Wikipedia. The statement that Lemmings is a predecessor of RTS games isn't obvious and need to be supported, and I think it's very telling that there is no quote that actually says that Lemmings were the predecessor of RTS games, even tho it is stated that someone said that. 80.98.184.139 (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 June 2019

[edit]
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Opposition based on the article covering the game across years refutes the incomplete disambiguation rationale. (non-admin closure) Dicklyon (talk) 06:10, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]



Lemmings (video game)Lemmings (1991 video game) – Incomplete disambiguation due to the existence of Lemmings (2006 video game). ZXCVBNM (TALK) 01:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: A name change is in order, but since the 2006 game is a remake or port, with the same levels and gameplay as the 1991 game, I'm not sure if this is the clearest title. To me, if its the "same game", just ported to another platform, it shouldn't be disambiguated just by year as that makes it seem like its two different, independently-developed games. WP:NCVGDAB gives an alternative of naming using the platform, so might the 2006 one might be better at Lemmings (PlayStation video game)? I'll wait to hear other opinions. -- Netoholic @ 05:06, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The 2006 game is an enhanced 3D remake with new levels. If it's notable enough to have its own separate article it should be notable enough to be considered a new game IMO.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:04, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • And that's what hatnotes are for "This is about the original 1991 computer game. For the 2006 game, see...". I would strongly argue that people searching on "lemmings video game" are going to be looking for the original title and not the 2006 remake. --Masem (t) 20:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 5 November 2020

[edit]
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 23:30, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]



Lemmings (video game)Lemmings – There's a good case to be made for the game being a WP:PLURALPT. Pageviews are far in advance of any other "Lemmings" article. The situation is similar to, say, Planters. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Support I generally am against pop culture topics overriding "persistent" topics (this case being a wellknown species of animal) but I agree the plural aspect is a fair rationale and a hat-note easily resolves the situation. And I will note that this game is the primary topic over the video game series (there may be other games, but this is the most well known game from it), the series should stay where it is.) --Masem (t) 19:47, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose per WP:ASTONISH the animal gets 23,748 views while video game only gets 10,198,[[1]] WP:PLURALPT gives the similar example of Cars redirecting to Car despite the fact that there is a film about cars which has similar views. When I Google Lemmings there are more results for the animal than the video game, Images also returns more results for the animal than the video game and Books only appears to return the animal. Planters is a bad president which probably should have been moved and WP:PLURALPT says "the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singular" and since WP:SMALLDETAILS doesn't apply since its not possible to distinguish between "lemmings" and "Lemmings" (and might not be appropriate even if possible) the video game isn't primary. By long-term significance the animal is clearly primary and that's what the video game is based on just the the film Cars. However I do agree that it might be better to have no primary topic since users typing "Lemmings" could well be looking for the video game in which case redirect "Lemmings" to Lemming (disambiguation) or create a new DAB page. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose per Crouch, Swale, per common sense, and per "C'mon man!" Randy Kryn (talk) 21:38, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose see the real world here In ictu oculi (talk) 09:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm: sorry but I believe that you have misread WP:PLURALPT, see comments on the faulty Planters RM Feb 2020 Talk:Planters#NO:PRIMARY_agrees_with_WP:PLURALPT , the guideline is the opposite of what was stated. That Planters RM needs to be reopened and corrected to fit what WP:PLURALPT actually says. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:15, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Steel Worker?

[edit]

Should the 1980 arcade game Steel Worker not be mentioned here in some way? It is incredibly similar. 111.106.166.232 (talk) 17:18, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If there are sources that deem their similarities notable enough, then maybe. Otherwise, no. – Rhain 23:40, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Lemmings (video game has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 3 § Lemmings (video game until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Largely ignored and relatively unknown in the video game industry"

[edit]

I can't ping you as my computer can't copy and paste the characters after the numbers in your username. I refer to your edit here: [5]. I feel like it is you who are using current citations that aren't suitable to what you are saying.

Firstly, as per WP:LEAD, the lead is supposed to summarise the most important parts of the body of the article. Your added information isn't even mentioned at all in the body, therefore it is completely unacceptable for you to place it in the lead.

More importantly, you claim the game is "largely ignored and relatively unknown in the video game industry", yet your sources do not support this. You have two sources. Neither states the game is relatively unknown. The Super Jump source is of debated notability, and possibly cannot be used at all as it appears to fail WP:RS. I note the source is not popular enough to have even been mentioned at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, so I've starting a conversation about it there for other editors to determine it's reliability. In any case, it only states the game is "sometimes forgotten", not "relatively unknown". The Kotaku source, which indeed is notable, only says the game "wasn’t actually as good as [they] thought it was in the first place", citing the slow gameplay. This is already covered with due weight in the reception area. Your claim that the game is "Largely ignored and relatively unknown in the video game industry" is simply not supported by your limited sources. Damien Linnane (talk) 07:51, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't noticed that the cites said that the reasons for lose of popularity at the late 90's is because this game is because it have slow pace. זור987 (talk) 07:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]