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Count of DYK Hooks | ||
Section | # of Hooks | # Verified |
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May 2 | 1 | |
May 10 | 1 | |
May 12 | 2 | |
May 14 | 1 | 1 |
May 16 | 1 | |
May 17 | 2 | |
May 20 | 2 | |
May 21 | 2 | |
May 22 | 2 | |
May 23 | 1 | |
May 26 | 1 | |
May 27 | 2 | |
May 28 | 1 | |
May 29 | 1 | |
May 30 | 2 | |
June 2 | 1 | |
June 3 | 2 | |
June 5 | 1 | 1 |
June 6 | 1 | |
June 7 | 2 | |
June 8 | 1 | |
June 9 | 4 | 1 |
June 11 | 1 | |
June 12 | 5 | 4 |
June 13 | 7 | 6 |
June 14 | 3 | 1 |
June 15 | 4 | 3 |
June 16 | 3 | 3 |
June 17 | 7 | 4 |
June 18 | 7 | 7 |
June 19 | 3 | 2 |
June 20 | 4 | 3 |
June 21 | 7 | 5 |
June 22 | 10 | 7 |
June 23 | 13 | 6 |
June 24 | 9 | 1 |
June 25 | 10 | 7 |
June 26 | 10 | 4 |
June 27 | 5 | 4 |
June 28 | 10 | 4 |
June 29 | 6 | 3 |
June 30 | 9 | 2 |
July 1 | 13 | 5 |
July 2 | 5 | 2 |
July 3 | 11 | 5 |
July 4 | 9 | 3 |
July 5 | 11 | 4 |
July 6 | 10 | 2 |
July 7 | 5 | 1 |
July 8 | ||
Total | 231 | 101 |
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Nominations[edit]
Older nominations[edit]
Articles created/expanded on May 2[edit]
Bar Kokhba refuge caves
- ... that towards the end of the Bar Kokhba revolt, Jewish families escaping the Roman army sought shelter in refuge caves in the Judaean Desert?
- Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
- ALT1: ... that over 30 refuge caves, where Jewish families sought shelter from the Roman army during the Bar Kokhba revolt, were discovered in the Judaean Desert? Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Mariamnei (talk) 08:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC).
- Mariamnei you have five nominations so you will need to provide a WP:QPQ. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- AirshipJungleman29, I have done it, thanks. Mariamnei (talk) 11:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Mariamnei: Please put a link to the DYK template that you reviewed for your QPQ next to the "Reviewed" line above, or link to it below. Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720:, here it is: [1] Mariamnei (talk) 18:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- The article linked above is Template:Did you know nominations/Deir ed Darb. Z1720 (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720:, here it is: [1] Mariamnei (talk) 18:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mariamnei: Long enough, new enough. Both hooks check out; my preference is ALT0. Not seeing any copyright concerns. There is, I'm afraid, much to whinge about with this. Several sections comprise of single sentences and these should be expanded. Several sentences also deserve {{cn}} tags and these really need to be cited - and if you're asserting that the expounded-upon caves are Examples, then you'd better have a good reason why this meets WP:DYKCOMPLETE. A copyedit wouldn't go amiss either.--Launchballer 12:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mariamnei: this has been open for almost two months now and still has some issues, such as unresolved citation needed tags. If this can't be wrapped up quickly, I'm afraid it'll have to be rejected. RoySmith (talk) 15:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Hey, thanks for the update! I've been kinda busy lately, but I'm hoping to wrap up the issues, especially the copyediting and citation stuff, by the end of this week. 😊 Mariamnei (talk) 15:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Mariamnei: I will be closing this if the issues are not fixed by the end of this week (i.e. about ten hours).--Launchballer 12:56, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Hey, thanks for the update! I've been kinda busy lately, but I'm hoping to wrap up the issues, especially the copyediting and citation stuff, by the end of this week. 😊 Mariamnei (talk) 15:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 10[edit]
Party of Revolutionary Communism, Vladimir Zitta, Grigorii Nikolaevich Maksimov, Evgenia Semenovskaya, Vladimir Bezel
- ... that in 1919 Vladimir Zitta, Evgenia Semenovskaya and G. N. Maksimov were expelled from the Party of Revolutionary Communism for having advocated unity with other populist sectors?
- Source: Память, Issue 3. Khronika Press, 1980. p. 384
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Theo Benedet, Template:Did you know nominations/Herschel the sea lion, Template:Did you know nominations/Kenji Tanigaki (2 articles), Template:Did you know nominations/Vasantha Krishna Prasad
Soman (talk) 21:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC).
- Comment ok to add Vladimir Bezel as a fifth article for this nom? (moved to mainspace today). The ALT1 hook would be "... that in 1919 Vladimir Zitta, Evgenia Semenovskaya, Vladimir Bezel and G. N. Maksimov were expelled from the Party of Revolutionary Communism for having advocated unity with other populist sectors?" One more QPQ would be needed. --Soman (talk) 15:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I added in Vladimir Bezel into the template and added a 5th article QPQ. --Soman (talk) 14:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed of all five articles and the hook. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
TI'll start with what's in good shape: The articles are all long enough, and they are new enough relative to the nomination date of May 15 (PoRC's 5x expansion was completed on May 10, Bezel was moved into main space on May 17, Zitta was created on May 11, Semenovskaya was created on May 14, and Maksimov was created on May 15). I presume good faith about the majority of the sources, which are either in a language I am unable to read (Russian) or are published in a format I can't access. I was able to look at the No Compromise, Bolshevik Response, and Boris Pasternak citations. Additionally, while I was not able to read any of the Khronika Press material, I was able to find that Khronika was a liberal-democratic publisher during the Soviet era.
The hooks are interesting (my knowledge of Revolutionary Russia is, like that of many people, limited, but party expulsions carry with them a whiff of drama that draws the eye of many readers), and the information is appropriately cited in at least one article.
@Soman: There are, however, some issues—for the most part individually minor and primarily to do with presentability, with a few exceptions that I marked with , though collectively somewhat numerous—that I would be grateful to see resolved before approving the nomination. I hope they be straightforward to resolve, whereupon I'd be willing to approve the nomination.
listed three caveats that participants –
: This seems to be missing a verb after participants and before the en dash.The Volya Truda tendency
: While tendency does have a meaning referring to a group within a larger political movement, I'm concerned this use of the word may be unfamiliar to a lot of English readers, compared to its more common use. Is it possible to rephrase this as faction?Sixty delegates with a decisive vote from 15 governorates participated in this congress.
: Would it be possible to elaborate on why 15 certain delegates had a "decisive vote"? Is this a reference to them being swing votes or undecided compared to the other delegates?as Central Committee members Kolegayev, Bitsenko, Alexandrov, Dobrokhotov and Cherny who joined the RCP(B)
: First, I think who can be struck; second, this is the first appearance in the article of the acronym RCP(B). Would it be possible to provide the meaning of the acronym on its first appearance? Is this referring to the Bolshevik Party?there were 28 delegates with decisive vote and 3 delegates with advisory vote representing
: Should these instances of vote instead be votes?The delegates represented from 15 governorate-level
: Should from here be struck?not on Orthodox Marxist platform
: Should this be not on an Orthodox etc.?There were 30 delegates with decisive vote and 7 delegates with advisory vote
: Vote or votes? (Open to learning that the answer to my earlier question about "a decisive vote" has to do with the singularization of vote in these instances, but also the use of the phrase "a decisive vote" led me to think this wouldn't be the case.)But there were clear discrepancies on the size of the party organizations represented, the
: Possibly this should be discrepancies in the. Also, the comma is splicing two independent clauses without a conjunction. Either a conjunction should be added, or the comma should instead be a semicolon or period.with consultative vote
: Vote or votes? I also notice that No Compromise states that the Revolutionary Communism delegates were therein a deliberative capacity, but with no votes
, not even consultative votes. Does one of the other sources elaborate otherwise?At the Sixth Party Congress of the Party of Revolutionary Communism held in Moscow on 21–22 September 1920 decided
: It looks like either At needs to be trimmed, or the phrase it was needs to be inserted before "decided".12 delegates with advisory vote taking
: Advisory vote or votes?the [[Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
: This looks like a case of incomplete bracketing.-
Vladimir Lenin perceived the programme of the Party of Revolutionary Communism as remaining on the platform of Narodnik utopianism and muddled and eclectic
: As this is written in plain prose, it strike me as too near a paraphrase ofTheir programme which remained on the platform of Narodnik utopianism was muddled and eclectic.
Could this be either rephrased in prose or reorganized as quotation? -
While recognising that Soviet rule created preconditions for the establishment of a socialist system, the party denied the necessity of the proletarian dictatorship during the transitional period from capitalism to socialism.
: This is nearly word for word from Lenin'sWhile recognising that Soviet rule created preconditions for the establishment of a socialist system, the “revolutionary communists” denied the necessity of the proletarian dictatorship during the transitional period from capitalism to socialism.
While Lenin's pamphlet was published in Russian in 1920, this text is from Julius Katzer's translation, published in 1964. be This should either be a quotation or paraphrased. 3 workers and a single peasants
: Should this be peasant (singular)?-
The central party organ was Volya Truda (Воля Труда, 'Will of Labour'), which was published as a daily newspaper from 14 September to 4 December 1918. From 29 December 1918, the daily newspaper was replaced by a periodical with the same title.
: This issue is more serious. This is cited to No Compromises, but I was not able to verify the content. The pamphlet does not seem to mention the Volya Truda at all. -
initially the editorial contents of Volya Truda was meagre
: This is cited to Fleĭshman (1990), but the text there states thatthe staff of the newspaper was mediocre
, rather than that its content was.
, briefly served as a people's commissar in 1918
: This clause seems incomplete; should this say who briefly served?
Few months later
: I think this would be A few months.rapproachment with the Bolsheviks not on Orthodox Marxist platform
: Should this be on an Orthodox etc.?were defeated by the group of Aleksei Ustinov
: Something in this phrasing sounds off. Maybe change to defeated by Aleksei Ustinov's group?After being expelled from the Party of Revolutionary Communism the grouping of Zitta and Semenovskaya
: Similar prose issue. Could this be Zitta and Semenovskaya's group?In her works, the lability (mobility) of the cerebral cortex and retina in patients with glaucoma was studied.
: Would it be possible to render this in the active voice instead? She studied the lability (mobility) of the cerebral cortex and retina in patients with glaucoma?
a proposal of Lenin to appoint
: As this is the first mention of Vladimir Lenin in the article, this seems like it should give his name more fully as Vladimir Lenin.On May 9, 1918, the Council of People's Commissars issues the decree
: Both a tense and grammatical article issue; this seems like it should state issued a decree.Bezel was part of the effort to unite the Party of Revolutionary Communism with other populist factions, albeit on remaining on the platform of support to soviet power
: I'm having a lot of trouble parsing the bolded portion. What is this saying? He was part of the effort to unite the PoRC with other populists, except on—either the tense or word choice or something is keeping this information from getting across.decided to expel Bezel, Semenovskaya, Zitta and Maksimov
: As this is the first time Semenovskaya, Zitta and Maksimov are mentioned in the article, it seems their names should be given more fully.
When PSR split
: Change to When the PSR split?, albeit on remaining on the platform of support to soviet power.
: Same problem with parsing as in the Bezel articledecided to expel Semenovskaya, Zitta, Maksimov and V. Bezel
: As this is the first time Semenovskaya, Zitta and Bezel are mentioned in the article, it seems their names should be given more fully.He was arrested in 1930, and would spend three years at Suzdal prison.
: Since this is all in the past, could this be revised to the more straightforward spent three years at etc.? Also, the comma there is a comma splice; it either needs to be removed, or a subject needs to be added to the second clause to make it an independent clause. i. e., either "He was arrested in 1930 and spent three years at Suzdal prison" or "He was arrested in 1930, and he spent three years at Suzdal prison".into internal exile, but was again arrested.
: A comma splice to the above: either "into internal exile but was again arrested" or "into internal exile, but he was again arrested".He would live in Moscow again
: Could this be revised to the more straightforward and natural "He lived in Moscow again"?
I realize these are numerous, but they are mostly about presentation: grammar, word choice, etc. (although there are a few more serious issues, as marked), so I'm hopeful that they can be resolved readily. Ping me when you feel the issues are amended, and I'll review the articles again. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 02:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Hydrageans. Thanks for the 5-article review. I think I've attended to all the grammar/language issues. On the other points:
- 'tendency' can refer to a loosely organized movement. I think it is more appropriate in this context than 'faction' or 'movement' here.
- On PRK delegates at II Comintern congress having consultative votes, Novoe v zhizni, nauke, tekhnike: Serii︠a︡: Istorii︠a︡ (1974) states that "26 июля 1920 г. представители « революционных ком- мунистов » А. Устинов и П . Сапожников , пригла- щенные на Конгресс с правом совещательного голоса , передали Президиуму Конгресса декларацию ЦК ПРК , в которой выражалась готовность подчиниться решению Конгресса и поставить вопрос о вхождении в РКП ( б )." Now, this is essentially the same as stated in the English translation No Compromises?. The translator of No Compromises? has opted to reword the terminology 'consultative vote' to 'no vote/deliberative capacity'.
- Lenin quotes now in quotation marks
- Lenin reference for Volya Truda publication dates corrected
- --Soman (talk) 21:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Hydrageans. Thanks for the 5-article review. I think I've attended to all the grammar/language issues. On the other points:
Articles created/expanded on May 12[edit]
Interstate 85 in North Carolina
- ... that I-85 switches directions from milemarker 96 to 102 in Davidson County?
- Source: [1]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: You're gonna have to zoom at least 75% into the map image to see the red line, which is I-85.
NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC).
- It's not immediately obvious what you're talking about, and you should make it clear where this "Davidson County" place is for people who won't realize it's in North Carolina, USA. So ...
- ALT1: ... that for six miles (9.6 km) in Davidson County, North Carolina, traffic on I-85 drives on the left?
- I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro. Daniel Case (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm... I suppose that works. I'm just a little unsure about what hook exactly to choose. Yeah, I'll probably place it in the intro. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Let me review this. its new, long enough, QPQ not required,
but I don't see the fact that it drives on the left anywhere in the article. I used 'Ctrl+F' for left and can only find one mention, and that is not even about the direction.JuniperChill (talk) 12:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)- Actually, its there located just above Interstate_85_in_North_Carolina#Greensboro_to_Durham,its just worded slightly differently so I am giving it the go ahead. JuniperChill (talk) 12:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Unpromoted. Pulled per Special:Diff/1232390332. Note this is the second time this hook has been pulled, so sending it back to unapproved to get a good hard look. RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: @BlueMoonset: @JuniperChill: For everyone here, this article had to be unpromoted from DYK due to the sourcing coming from Google Maps. After having found a much better source from NCDOT, which this article has a map, I'd like to get approval to see if it now meets the requirements for DYK. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- (drive by comment) I don't think "drives on the left" is an accurate description of what happens here. Especially with the link, this seems to indicate that left-hand traffic rules apply (instead, all that happens is that the two directions cross over each other). If we had true left hand traffic, each direction should have its shoulder and most exits on the left hand side. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and honestly as per my previous comment IMHO we need an explicit source saying it drives on the left rather than just inferring that from a map when nobody else has noted it. As such, the switch from Google maps to a NCDOT map doesn't really address this central concern. The map still only sources that they two roads cross over each other twice, not that it's a "drive on the left" area. Somewhere like the United States Virgin Islands, on the other hand, it's clearly sourced that they drive on the left. — Amakuru (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I guess I've given up on the DYK nomination then. All that effort I put in for nothing. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 16:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- The reliability of GM is disputed, according to WP:RSP WP:GOOGLEMAPS. Its neither stated as reliable nor unreliable even after several discussions. But anyway It clearly shows that the I85 switches sides like a diverging diamond interchange without traffic lights. Since I am new to Wikipedia and DYK, I may as well leave it to another person to review/promote this hook. JuniperChill (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and honestly as per my previous comment IMHO we need an explicit source saying it drives on the left rather than just inferring that from a map when nobody else has noted it. As such, the switch from Google maps to a NCDOT map doesn't really address this central concern. The map still only sources that they two roads cross over each other twice, not that it's a "drive on the left" area. Somewhere like the United States Virgin Islands, on the other hand, it's clearly sourced that they drive on the left. — Amakuru (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- (drive by comment) I don't think "drives on the left" is an accurate description of what happens here. Especially with the link, this seems to indicate that left-hand traffic rules apply (instead, all that happens is that the two directions cross over each other). If we had true left hand traffic, each direction should have its shoulder and most exits on the left hand side. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
@RoySmith, Daniel Case, NoobThreePointOh, and JuniperChill: FWIW there is an article here - [2] which discusses this in detail. I suppose it's questionable whether the "North Carolina Rabbit Hole" is a reliable source, but the guy does seem to have done his research and interviewed the road's designer and suchlike, so interested on opinions on that? — Amakuru (talk) 19:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Great find! I really like this concept of two rest stops in the middle that can be accessed by (normal) right exits. The author seems to be slightly more "independent journalist" than "blogger" but it isn't completely obvious why he passes our RS guidelines. If we trust his statement that there are almost no sources on this but do not trust his statement about the rest area, we won't be able to continue. —Kusma (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I started working my way through the article. To be honest, I have no idea how this passed GA; the sourcing is just abyssimal. For example, I'm looking at the first paragraph of "South Carolina to Charlotte". This entire paragraph is cited to map of Cleveland County which doesn't begin to say most of things the paragraph says. "from Cherokee County", as far as I can tell from the map, it's York County. "Most of the Interstate for its first few miles is generally rural in nature and remains four lanes." No clue how the map supports any of that. "which quietly merges onto I-85". Quietly? The map says quietly? "Interstate meets US 74 at a unique weave interchange" Unique? The maps says it's unique? "Both routes also enter Kings Mountain." Looking at the Google map, that does appear to be an accurate statement, but the cited NC DOT map certainly doesn't show it. But, to get to the matter at hand; the (supposedly) left-hand drive sections of I-85 The entire paragraph that contains this statement is cited to https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/State-Mapping/Documents/thumbs/Davidson.pdf, which doesn't even come close to supporing almost anything in that paragraph. "The landscape becomes more rural"??? "I-85 enters a large forest with tree-lined medians"??? This really should have it's GA revoked as a defective review, but I just don't have the energy to file it. RoySmith (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I found the energy: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Interstate 85 in North Carolina/1 RoySmith (talk) 20:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on May 16[edit]
Baubau
- ... that Baubau city filed two different budgets at the same time, resulting it to lose their chance at becoming capital of Southeast Sulawesi? Source: "Beberapa sebab terpilihnya Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara di antaranyakalah jumlah suara pada saat pemilihan untuk penentuan ibukota. Selain itu,terjadi malbirokrasi di mana ada dinas di Kota Baubau yang mengajukan anggaran dua versi dan yang mengajukan dua orang, sehingga terjadi dualisme dalam satu dinas. Akibatnya,kekacauan dalam sistem birokrasi dan tata pemerintahan sangat mungkin terjadi jika Kota Baubau menjadi ibukota provinsi. Oleh karena itu, Mendagri dan Otonomi Daerah dalam keputusannya mengesahkan Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara." Rabani, L. O., Purwanto, B., & Margana, S. (2020). Politik dan Ekonomi di Dua Kota: Baubau dan Kendari pada tahun 1950an–1960an. MOZAIK HUMANIORA, 20(1), 39–56. https://doi.org/10.20473/mozaik.v20i1.15746
- ALT1: ... that Baubau city has a fortress made out of coral reefs and limestones? Source: "Benteng Wolio dibangun dengan bahan baku berupa batu karang, pasir, dan kapur. Dalam sistem pengetahuan setempat, bahan perekat material benteng menggunakan putih telur ayam." https://books.google.co.id/books?id=HRHszgEACAAJ&newbks=0&hl=id&redir_esc=y (Page 49)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Minnesota State Highway 36
- Comment: Newly expanded 5 times, CE will be very appreciated thank you. Also special request to be posted on 29th July.
Nyanardsan (talk) 01:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but special occasion requests for more than six weeks require consensus at WT:DYK. I'd also expect a more merciless prepbuilder to truncate ALT0 at 'time'.--Launchballer 18:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nyanardsan: Please complete a QPQ, and link it above. Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 02:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ added. I also would like to highlight my request once again. I am fine if it must go through consensus at WT:DYK and any modification/ALTs are also fine as long as it mentions the city's name. Nyanardsan (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is not a review but I would oppose the special occasion request. For one thing, the significance of the date is not even stated in the nomination, plus there is no mention of the date in the article. Thus it is not even clear what the significance of July 29 to the subject is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am currently unable to check for close paraphrasing as Earwig is currently rate limited, so this is only a preliminary review. I can verify that a 5x expansion was completed within seven days of the nomination, and that a QPQ has been provided. I have a slight preference for ALT0, but as Launchballer suggested it will probably need copyediting. Both hooks are cited inline and cited to Indonesian sources; AGF although Google Translate seems to verify the information. A QPQ has been provided. The primary issue with the article right now is that it is in need of a copyedit. The article is inconsistent with its use of quotation marks (some statements use single ones and others use doubles) and there are multiple grammatical errors in the article, mostly missing uses of "the". Asking Launchballer for help in copyediting, but otherwise the article can't run until that is completed. As for the special occasion request, given that the article was nominated outside six weeks, it needed an IAR exemption at WT:DYK, but that did not happen. However, I would oppose such a special occasion request for that date as it is not mentioned anywhere in the article and its significance to the subject is unclear. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll take a look at this in the morning.--Launchballer 02:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've added quite a few tags to this, and there may be more. I plan on giving this another pass, but this should take some of the edge off.--Launchballer 11:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Nyanardsan: A few things; '98.45' is not a ratio; long strings of percentages such as the ones in Demographics would flow much better as a list; I found quite a few instances of claims being backed up by sources that can't possibly contain them, for example a 2022 source claiming something is as of 2023, and these will have to be remedied.--Launchballer 08:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- For the ratio, I clarified again. I was simply following the statistics document like always, mentioning gender ratio in that way. I disagree with the demographics section should be converted to list, it is fine as it is as prose. The unclarified sources one have been fixed (I apologize, it's mostly me forgetting to recite BPS documents which is used a lot), except for the fish export one which is correctly cited already by AntaraNews article Nyanardsan (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Who described the Buton Sultanate's political position as "like a shuttlecock"? This should be in the article. Also, ratios show quantities relative to each another and are usually written in the form a:b.--Launchballer 16:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- For the ratio, I clarified again. I was simply following the statistics document like always, mentioning gender ratio in that way. I disagree with the demographics section should be converted to list, it is fine as it is as prose. The unclarified sources one have been fixed (I apologize, it's mostly me forgetting to recite BPS documents which is used a lot), except for the fish export one which is correctly cited already by AntaraNews article Nyanardsan (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Nyanardsan: A few things; '98.45' is not a ratio; long strings of percentages such as the ones in Demographics would flow much better as a list; I found quite a few instances of claims being backed up by sources that can't possibly contain them, for example a 2022 source claiming something is as of 2023, and these will have to be remedied.--Launchballer 08:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've added quite a few tags to this, and there may be more. I plan on giving this another pass, but this should take some of the edge off.--Launchballer 11:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll take a look at this in the morning.--Launchballer 02:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 17[edit]
South by South Lawn
... that the South by South Lawn festival, which took place October 3, 2016, was modelled after and "organized together with" the South by Southwest festival?
- Source: "It was the first – and you have to presume the last – South By South Lawn. Modeled upon and organized together with the original Austin, Texas, interactive festival South By Southwest, it brought a riot of color to the usually sedate seat of the US presidency." The Guardian
- ALT0a: ... that the South by South Lawn festival was modelled after and "organized together with" the South by Southwest festival?
- ALT1: ... that the South by South Lawn festival sign was programmed by Adam Savage and a team from Baltimore to illuminate every time someone made a social media post with the hashtag #sxsl? Source: "MythBusters’ Adam Savage and a team of makers from Baltimore made the giant letters “SXSL” that lit up every time someone posted to social media using the hasthag #sxsl. Artist Nathan Sawaya brought his Park People, sculptures of people made entirely of Legos." Smithsonian Magazine
ALT2: ... that the 2016 festival South by South Lawn was literally one of a kind? Source: One-off event. The Guardian- ALT3: ... that the 2016 festival South by South Lawn included a panel discussion on climate change led by President Obama and featuring actor Leonardo DiCaprio and Canadian climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe? Source: "The main event was a conversation, led by President Obama, on climate change with Leonardo DiCaprio and climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe. When talking about leaders taking on climate change, DiCaprio said, “I'm so very honored and pleased to be joined onstage with one of those leaders—a President who has done more to create solutions for the climate change crisis than any other in history—President Barack Obama.” Immediately following the discussion was the domestic premiere of DiCaprio’s new climate documentary, Before the Flood." Smithsonian Magazine
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wan Abubakar
TheSandDoctor Talk 00:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
- Hiya. The article was new enough at time of nomination (DYK nomination on 24 May, having been moved to the mainspace on the same day, and has not appeared on the Main Page) and is long enough (1737 characters of readable prose and is not a stub). ALTs 0, 1, and 3 are interesting, sourced, and formatted properly, though I would have reduced some of the detail (such as the dates) to increase intrigue. It is up to you if you want to retain the current level of detail (the character lengths are currently 154, 180, and 198 respectively, which are within policy but are pushing its boundaries). I am not approving ALT2: "one of a kind" is too broad and implies that there is something unique about the event, not that it occurred as a one-off.As the listed quid pro quo was used in a previous nomination, I believe that a new one is needed – my interpretation of
you must complete a full review of one other nomination (unrelated to you) for every subsequent article you nominate ... A review does not need to be successful to count as a QPQ
is that they cannot be reused even if the nomination is unsuccessful (maybe seek clarification at WT:DYK). Please also note that full reviews are needed to count as QPQs.With regards to core content policies such as copyright, neutrality, and BLP, I did not detect any violations (there is some close paraphrasing, such as the first sentence of the second paragraph of "Background", but there is a limited number of ways to say the same thing). However, there are some verifiability issues with the article:- I think that the basis for
initiated by the Obama administration
in that White House source is a little shaky; while it is probably true, it doesn't seem to be explicitly supported. - Is there a better source than that Forbes profile for Futurism helping to organise?
More than 20,000 attendees were invited
in the article ≠More than 20,000 were nominated
in the source.- General comment about the article (expressly not a DYK issue, more a bugbear): I don't really understand the citation structure – the frequency is very dense when it doesn't need to be (eg
technology and music[1] festival[2]
,one-day event[7] hosted on the White House South Lawn[8]
, andclimate[12] documentary Before the Flood.[13]
). You're free to ignore this comment if you wish. - Another general comment: if you want, there are some nice public-domain photos here that you can add.
- I think that the basis for
- As DYK eligibility requires additional work, I am marking the nomination with . Please address these issues before I can approve this nomination. Sdrqaz (talk) 04:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Sdrqaz: I never got a notification on my talk page from the usual bot about there being a problem here. Weird. The sub-heading of this White House page says that it is "A White House Festival of Ideas, Art, and Action". Does that help any? The Forbes entry is staff written, as are the Forbes 30 Under 30 picks, therefore falling under WP:FORBES rather than WP:FORBESCON. They're not explicitly mentioned in this staff article but if you follow the "media" link for that category of the 2017 30U30 present in the article, the profile is half way down the linked page. I don't think that that source should be a problem there. I have adjusted the 20,000 attendees line. Thanks for the link on public domain pics! I will go through those when I have some more time and add a few. --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheSandDoctor: I don't think that there is a bot that notifies you if there are issues – it is up to the reviewer to leave such notices if they wish. I'll ping you to comments I make here instead, if that's okay. I did see that for the Obama administration issue; maybe I'm being too picky, so I'll leave it. I'll give you some time to find a full QPQ (see my comments at the start) or find clarification at
WT:QPQWT:DYK if you disagree. Would also like to hear your thoughts on the hooks. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)- @Sdrqaz: Swapped out to Template:Did you know nominations/Wan Abubakar. My mistake re the bot -- I thought that there was one but clearly I'm mistaken. Pings are just fine! For ALT0 would
that the South by South Lawn festival was modelled after and "organized together with" the South by Southwest festival?
work? Would you suggest any detail reduction for ALT1? Curious what you had in mind for shortening ALT3; I think it is interesting enough as is but I feel creating a sense of intrigue could be improved, just not sure how. (Silly me thought I'd saved this comment last night but apparently not...) --TheSandDoctor Talk 14:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)- @TheSandDoctor: That is an improved ALT0, in my opinion . Take what I say with a grain of salt as hook-writing is not a precise science, but I would advise thinking about the purpose behind every included detail. As the author, it depends on what you want to highlight about the article. I would caution against writing hooks like sentences in normal articles: too much detail may not leave the reader wanting to know more.Part of the appeal for ALT1 as written is to attract readers who have heard of Adam Savage or MythBusters. However, there's also the risk that people get distracted by the link and click on him instead to find out more. The
team from Baltimore
may be extraneous detail if you take a more ruthless approach. For ALT3, the same consideration applies: if you wish to highlight the climate change element of it or Katherine Hayhoe's work, then inclusion of her article is a respectable decision. However, as above, it may lead to distraction: as DiCaprio and Obama are much more well-known, then it may not be necessary to have detail about her. Other ways to make it shorter could simply be just removing "actor" or "Canadian" etc.I will emphasise that these are just things to think about and you are absolutely free to disregard them as I will be approving the nomination either way. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)- @TheSandDoctor and Sdrqaz: What is the status of this nomination? (For my money, ALT0 does not meet WP:DYKINT, ALT1 could drop 'was programmed by Adam Savage and a team from Baltimore' per WP:DYKTRIM, and ALT3's also cruising for a pruning, probably at 'Obama'.)--Launchballer 09:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Mainly waiting for TheSandDoctor's thoughts on the hooks. I don't disagree with you regarding ALT1 and ALT3, Launchballer, but am willing to defer to TSD if the purpose is to bring readers in through highlighting different information (see 2nd paragraph of 23 June comment). Sdrqaz (talk) 01:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sdrqaz and Launchballer: I will get back to this and am not intending to abandon or drop the ball here, but I have had a lot going on in the real world since then that I would rather not get into and won't be available until next week (so a few more days) most likely. Sorry. Just leaving this quick comment to make my intentions clear. I haven't forgotten, I am just at capacity in other areas right now that are eating up my time "irl"... --TheSandDoctor Talk 13:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Mainly waiting for TheSandDoctor's thoughts on the hooks. I don't disagree with you regarding ALT1 and ALT3, Launchballer, but am willing to defer to TSD if the purpose is to bring readers in through highlighting different information (see 2nd paragraph of 23 June comment). Sdrqaz (talk) 01:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @TheSandDoctor and Sdrqaz: What is the status of this nomination? (For my money, ALT0 does not meet WP:DYKINT, ALT1 could drop 'was programmed by Adam Savage and a team from Baltimore' per WP:DYKTRIM, and ALT3's also cruising for a pruning, probably at 'Obama'.)--Launchballer 09:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @TheSandDoctor: That is an improved ALT0, in my opinion . Take what I say with a grain of salt as hook-writing is not a precise science, but I would advise thinking about the purpose behind every included detail. As the author, it depends on what you want to highlight about the article. I would caution against writing hooks like sentences in normal articles: too much detail may not leave the reader wanting to know more.Part of the appeal for ALT1 as written is to attract readers who have heard of Adam Savage or MythBusters. However, there's also the risk that people get distracted by the link and click on him instead to find out more. The
- @Sdrqaz: Swapped out to Template:Did you know nominations/Wan Abubakar. My mistake re the bot -- I thought that there was one but clearly I'm mistaken. Pings are just fine! For ALT0 would
- @TheSandDoctor: I don't think that there is a bot that notifies you if there are issues – it is up to the reviewer to leave such notices if they wish. I'll ping you to comments I make here instead, if that's okay. I did see that for the Obama administration issue; maybe I'm being too picky, so I'll leave it. I'll give you some time to find a full QPQ (see my comments at the start) or find clarification at
Rashmika Mandanna
... that Rashmika Mandanna made her debut in 2016 opposite Rakshit Shetty in the Kannada romance Kirik Party?- Reviewed:
19Arham (talk) 21:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC).
- A new hook is needed here as the hook may not be interesting or understandable to a broad audience, particularly if the reader is unfamiliar with Shetty. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @19Arham: Can you suggest some additional hooks below? Z1720 (talk) 02:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Rashmika Mandanna starred in the third highest-grossing Indian film of 2023 opposite Bollywood royalty, Ranbir Kapoor?
- That doesn't seem to be much of an improvement, not to mention referring to Kapoor as "Bollywood royalty" could fall afoul of WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @19Arham: are there any other aspects of this article that could be a good hook? Proposing multiple hooks is more likely to get approved. @Narutolovehinata5: do you have any suggestions of interesting aspects in which to get a hook from? Z1720 (talk) 00:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert on Bollywood so I'm probably not the best person to ask about this; besides, I didn't get much ideas from a quick skim of the article, but it could just be due to unfamiliarity with the subject. Launchballer has experience proposing ALTs for entertainers so maybe they'd have some ideas. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Rashmika Mandanna was reluctant to accept her first Hindi cinema role as she disagreed with her character's views on spirituality? jumps out, although there may be others. Also @19Arham: I strongly recommend submitting an image with this nomination, as all of the images are Creative Commons.--Launchballer 20:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert on Bollywood so I'm probably not the best person to ask about this; besides, I didn't get much ideas from a quick skim of the article, but it could just be due to unfamiliarity with the subject. Launchballer has experience proposing ALTs for entertainers so maybe they'd have some ideas. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @19Arham: are there any other aspects of this article that could be a good hook? Proposing multiple hooks is more likely to get approved. @Narutolovehinata5: do you have any suggestions of interesting aspects in which to get a hook from? Z1720 (talk) 00:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't seem to be much of an improvement, not to mention referring to Kapoor as "Bollywood royalty" could fall afoul of WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 sounds good and can be reviewed, though if anyone has additional hook suggestions that's also appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm fairly sure the whole article needs a review.--Launchballer 14:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, just about new enough at nine days. Earwig highlights a few phrases, but these appear to come under WP:LIMITED. No QPQ needed. Reviewer needed to assess ALT2.--Launchballer 20:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm fairly sure the whole article needs a review.--Launchballer 14:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 20[edit]
Jump (Tyla, Gunna, and Skillibeng song)
... that a fusion of international talent "Jump" by South African singer Tyla, American rapper Gunna and Jamaican singer as well as rapper Skillibeng is a collaborative song which blends Tyla's melodious vocals, Gunna's rap prowess, and Skillibeng's dancehall flair, marking a vibrant cross-genre collaboration that's making waves globally? Source: ' ' 'Source:' ' 'For 6 consecutive weeks, the song has maintained the number one position on the UK's biggest premier chart for afrobeats songs, which ranks them according to sales and streams over a 7 day period: [3]American rapper Gunna and South African singer Tyla traveled to Johannesburg, South Africa, Tyla's hometown, to film the official music video: [4]- Reviewed:
- Comment: "Jump" by Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng achieved remarkable success, reaching the number 1 spot on The UK’s biggest Afrobeats songs chart for six consecutive weeks. The collaboration between American rapper Gunna , Jamaican musician Skillibeng and South African singer Tyla, filmed in Johannesburg, South Africa, showcases the global appeal and cross-cultural influence of contemporary music. The song's popularity underscores the growing recognition and appreciation of African music on an international scale. "Jump" exemplifies the fusion of diverse musical styles and talents, resulting in a chart-topping hit with widespread appeal. "Jump" has earned millions of streams and downloads worldwide since its release.
Qaqaamba (talk) 12:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
- Hooks should contain a bolded link to the article and be under 200 characters long, so I've struck it. Please propose something much shorter.--Launchballer 12:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- 162 characters after adding an oxford comma, which I have added to the article title. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's rap and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's, dancehall? Qaqaamba (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3:… that "Jump" was the only trap-infused recording on Tyla? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Qaqaamba and Dxneo: As per WP:DYKINT, the hook should be "perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." Might I suggest something maybe to do with the "Haibo!" adlib, the famous Hillbrow Tower in the video, or perhaps the viral "they ain't never had a pretty girl from..." trend? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 08:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Qaqaamba, Dxneo, and Cybertrip: I was going to propose "that two of the places referenced in Tyla's "Jump" are the same place", except it doesn't check out to the cited source. Can this be remedied?--Launchballer 13:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Never mind, I added it myself.--Launchballer 10:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Qaqaamba, Dxneo, and Cybertrip: I was going to propose "that two of the places referenced in Tyla's "Jump" are the same place", except it doesn't check out to the cited source. Can this be remedied?--Launchballer 13:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Qaqaamba and Dxneo: As per WP:DYKINT, the hook should be "perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." Might I suggest something maybe to do with the "Haibo!" adlib, the famous Hillbrow Tower in the video, or perhaps the viral "they ain't never had a pretty girl from..." trend? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 08:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3:… that "Jump" was the only trap-infused recording on Tyla? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Praetoria of Constantinople
- ... that in the Praetorium of Constantinople the brothers Theodorus and Theophanes (pictured) had twelve iambic verses branded on their forehead and torso?
- Source: Senina (2008), pp. 267-268
- Reviewed: Red Sea mangroves
- Comment: I will do the QPQ asap.
Alex2006 (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC).
- @Alessandro57: You still need to provide a QPQ as it has been over two weeks since the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: you are right, sorry, QPQ done. Alex2006 (talk) 05:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: AGF on non-English sources, although was able to verify the basic facts elsewhere. Only concern would be the last sentence of the introduction: "At least two buildings with this function existed in the city". It is unclear if this is talking about jails, or places where the prefect dispensed justice. @Alessandro57: - Are you able to address this? CSJJ104 (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- You are right, @CSJJ104:, it wasn't clear, thanks. Updated everywhere with sources. Alex2006 (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Alessandro57: Reading this with the recent additions, is the article intended to cover both buildings, or just the one? If it's covering both then possibly it should be moved to Praetoria of Constantinople, otherwise the article should make clear which building it covers. CSJJ104 (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hallo @CSJJ104:, your concern has been addressed: article moved to plural. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Performed a copyedit on the lead, but otherwise good to go. I assume good faith on the non-English sources. CSJJ104 (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note that I've nominated the image for deletion. All that means is that this can't become the lead hook; no other issues. Schwede66 06:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Alessandro57 and CSJJ104: Senina 2008 pp.267–268 does not verify that the branding took place within the Praetoria, and as a translation of a primary source it is not a reliable source for the hook. Meanwhile, Janin 1950 is pushing the limits of WP:RSAGE, so unless it is watertight (could you please supply a quote that supports the hook) I think a new hook might be needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also noting that the image was kept.--Launchballer 16:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: WP:RSAGE does not really apply here; this is a historical article, where the narrative part of history, which relies on medieval sources, is not liable to change much. The only developments could be the discovery and publication of major written sources or archaeological excavations, but the former hasn't been the case and the latter is unlikely to happen given that the sites lie at the heart of Istanbul, where only major infrastructure projects like the subway have led to extensive archaeological discoveries. In summary, Janin is still very much a WP:RS and valid for this topic, as can be seen by its still frequent use in 21st-century scholarly works. Constantine ✍ 10:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cplakidas I trust your judgement re. RSAGE, but would still like to see a quote. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- AirshipJungleman29 Thanks for pointing this out. I'm not actually able to access Senina 2008 and didn't notice the issue. Can I check though, is your objection purely to its use to cite the hook, or should the article also be updated? CSJJ104 (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot for your supplement of review and your comments, @AirshipJungleman29: , @CSJJ104: ,@Cplakidas:.Unfortunately I find myself since a week in the Poli and I have neither a PC with me(I am writing on a phone :-((() nor Janin (btw, for this article I have been forced to use the 1950 edition because the 1964 revised edition was borrowed by someone else). I agree with Constantine that for this kind of articles one has to rely heavily upon the primary sources, because it is all that we have. Anyway, I added another online secondary source to the text (Abschnitt V.17, unfortunately in German), and I hope that this will solve the problem. Cheers from Istanbul, Alex2006 (talk) 06:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- AirshipJungleman29 Thanks for pointing this out. I'm not actually able to access Senina 2008 and didn't notice the issue. Can I check though, is your objection purely to its use to cite the hook, or should the article also be updated? CSJJ104 (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cplakidas I trust your judgement re. RSAGE, but would still like to see a quote. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: WP:RSAGE does not really apply here; this is a historical article, where the narrative part of history, which relies on medieval sources, is not liable to change much. The only developments could be the discovery and publication of major written sources or archaeological excavations, but the former hasn't been the case and the latter is unlikely to happen given that the sites lie at the heart of Istanbul, where only major infrastructure projects like the subway have led to extensive archaeological discoveries. In summary, Janin is still very much a WP:RS and valid for this topic, as can be seen by its still frequent use in 21st-century scholarly works. Constantine ✍ 10:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also noting that the image was kept.--Launchballer 16:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Performed a copyedit on the lead, but otherwise good to go. I assume good faith on the non-English sources. CSJJ104 (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hallo @CSJJ104:, your concern has been addressed: article moved to plural. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 14:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Alessandro57: Reading this with the recent additions, is the article intended to cover both buildings, or just the one? If it's covering both then possibly it should be moved to Praetoria of Constantinople, otherwise the article should make clear which building it covers. CSJJ104 (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 21[edit]
LS Power
- ... that LS Power has the largest non-utility owned energy storage portfolio in the United States, including pumped-storage hydroelectricity and lithium-ion battery storage?
AdJHu 胡 03:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC).
- Article is long enough and created one day before DYK submission. It's copyvio free. It has an issue with sourcing, however; I marked citation needed on a whole paragraph that lacks citations. Personally, I also feel that the hook is very technical and wordy, and not particularly eye-catching to an outsider. In my opinion, I think the lithium ion battery facility fire in May 2024 is the most interesting thing in the article and would make the best hook. Kimikel (talk) 15:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- AdJHu, are you intending to respond to this DYK any further? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- AdJHu hasn't edited since June 22nd and hasn't edited the article since May 24. If they return soon the nomination can continue, but otherwise this is marked for closure as stale unless someone decides to adopt it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Voluntary war
- ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to forcibly have marital relations with a beautiful woman who had been taken captive?
- ALT1: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to rape and forcibly marry a beautiful woman who had been made a prisoner of war?
- Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC 54817857.; Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 21b–22a
- Reviewed:
Davidbena (talk) 04:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
- Drive by comment: "forcibly have marital relations" should either be changed to "rape and forcibly marry" or attributed to a source, this is far too euphemistic to have in Wikipedia's voice. Rusalkii (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll make the change, although I do think that it is a bit too strong.Davidbena (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't see how the word "rape" can be in the hook if it isn't in the article. I also think "traditional" may be misleading, unless they are still in effect or only recently stopped being active laws; if they haven't been in effect for hundreds or even thousands of years, then that should be clear as well. Note to Davidbena: rather than edit hooks in situ, please show any revised wordings as an alternate hook (i.e., ALT1, ALT2). I've done so to restore your original hook and show the requested revision as ALT1. Thanks. Also, don't forget to supply your QPQ review (see WP:QPQ); you're supposed to do so within seven days of nominating, and definitely within seven days of being reminded to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, thanks for your comment. Sometimes it is common practice among writers to use "euphemisms" in Belles-lettres and in prose, rather than use a word having the exact same meaning, but viewed as repugnant (e.g. "to forcibly have marital relations" instead of writing "to rape"). Would it help if I put, in the article, the word "rape" in parentheses, immediately following the words "to forcibly have marital relations"? If so, an alternate reading of the hook can be this:
- ALT2: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to forcibly have marital relations with (i.e. rape) a beautiful woman who had been made a prisoner of war?
- Done - Davidbena (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alt3 (see below) is my preferred hook, as it clarifies everything. I will also go ahead and add "rape" in the main article. As for your question about use of the word "traditional," the word is still applicable today, since Jews in Israel recognize these ancient customs as being bona-fide Jewish traditions. They, in fact, could still be upheld today if we had an active Sanhedrin, which, in this case, we don't. Another option might simply be to write, instead of "traditional," the word "obsolete." This word, however, is tricky, because if the Sanhedrin were ever to be reinstated, these laws of warfare would still be applicable today. See, for example, Modern attempts to revive the Sanhedrin. Finally, I do not understand what you mean by saying that I must supply my QPQ review. Give me time to read-up on this.Davidbena (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- To the best of my knowledge, I have nominated four articles on "Did you know...", and this present article, if accepted, will be my fifth. The rules in WP:QPQ state that if I've nominated 5 or more articles, only then would I be required to work on the nomination of another person's DYK. I take that to mean that I can begin doing that now. Okay, no problem.Davidbena (talk) 23:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, I have begun the review process of the DYK article here.Davidbena (talk) 00:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, thanks for your comment. Sometimes it is common practice among writers to use "euphemisms" in Belles-lettres and in prose, rather than use a word having the exact same meaning, but viewed as repugnant (e.g. "to forcibly have marital relations" instead of writing "to rape"). Would it help if I put, in the article, the word "rape" in parentheses, immediately following the words "to forcibly have marital relations"? If so, an alternate reading of the hook can be this:
- Comment: I don't see how the word "rape" can be in the hook if it isn't in the article. I also think "traditional" may be misleading, unless they are still in effect or only recently stopped being active laws; if they haven't been in effect for hundreds or even thousands of years, then that should be clear as well. Note to Davidbena: rather than edit hooks in situ, please show any revised wordings as an alternate hook (i.e., ALT1, ALT2). I've done so to restore your original hook and show the requested revision as ALT1. Thanks. Also, don't forget to supply your QPQ review (see WP:QPQ); you're supposed to do so within seven days of nominating, and definitely within seven days of being reminded to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll make the change, although I do think that it is a bit too strong.Davidbena (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: and @Rusalkii:, this is to remind you that I have just concluded the work on another author's DYK (see Talk:Architects' Tombs), in order to qualify for approval of my own DYK. Hope that things can be expedited here.Davidbena (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to rape and forcibly have marital relations with a beautiful woman who had been made a prisoner of war? The Talmud (Kiddushin 21b) calls this act a concession to man's evil inclination.
- Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- This feels like a walking time bomb and shouldn't be run. At least, as long as we're rejecting Template:Did you know nominations/Animal stereotypes of Jews in Palestinian discourse. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I, personally, would not draw a connection between the article that you mentioned above and this article, here, for the very reason that this article speaks about the laws of warfare in ancient Israel, at a time when there used to be a Sanhedrin. A brief reminder of Wikipedia guidelines for DYK state: "Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area" (End Quote). Davidbena (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's certainly interesting – and as someone who was raised Orthodox Jewish herself, I'm well aware of the anachronism. Most people aren't, though, and at the end of the day, it's not about what's exactly said – it's about what message people think we're trying to send by choosing to run certain hooks. Sadly, I remain opposed to an otherwise fine-looking hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:, would it at all help if we added the caveat that, according to Jewish law (Talmud, Sanhedrin 59a), the laws pertaining to a ‘beautiful captive woman’ apply only to the men of Israel, but do not apply to gentile soldiers? In this sense, women are still protected under the laws of the UN against rape and other forms of sexual violence committed by soldiers of the occupying forces (The Third Geneva Convention of 1949 [in Articles 13 to 16]).[1] While unto the men of Israel, the laws bequeathed to them by their forefathers are immutable,[2] without the Sanhedrin, this law would not apply today. And even when it did apply, the concession was made only after the fact that, in warfare, a soldier would have given vent to his passions anyway, whether he was allowed to do so or not, and the Torah wanted the men of Israel to be blameless, therefore, it excused the first act of passion. The conceptual-jurisprudential question that may be asked by students of International law is whether or not these laws pertain only to the inner circle of Jews when it comes to conquest by war, or can we say that these laws apply also to the Gentiles although they do not see themselves related to the Jewish law, as they have no access to it, nor do they have any say in the matter. In reply to this question the answer is, unequivocally, "No, they do not apply to non-Israelite armies". Davidbena (talk) 15:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's certainly interesting – and as someone who was raised Orthodox Jewish herself, I'm well aware of the anachronism. Most people aren't, though, and at the end of the day, it's not about what's exactly said – it's about what message people think we're trying to send by choosing to run certain hooks. Sadly, I remain opposed to an otherwise fine-looking hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I, personally, would not draw a connection between the article that you mentioned above and this article, here, for the very reason that this article speaks about the laws of warfare in ancient Israel, at a time when there used to be a Sanhedrin. A brief reminder of Wikipedia guidelines for DYK state: "Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area" (End Quote). Davidbena (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- This feels like a walking time bomb and shouldn't be run. At least, as long as we're rejecting Template:Did you know nominations/Animal stereotypes of Jews in Palestinian discourse. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Gardam, Judith; Charlesworth, Hilary (2000). "Protection of Women in Armed Conflict". Human Rights Quarterly. 22 (1). The Johns Hopkins University Press: 157 (note 55). JSTOR 4489270.
- ^ Bleich, J. David; Jacobson, Arthur J. (2012). "The Jewish legal tradition". In Mauro Bussani; Ugo Mattei (eds.). The Cambridge Companion to Comparative Law. Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139017206.017.
Judaism is fundamentally a religion of law, a law that governs every facet of the human condition. Jewish tradition maintains that the Torah – the first five books of the Bible that include the Written Law transmitted by Moses at Mount Sinai as well as the Oral Law accompanying it – contains not merely a set of laws, but also canons of interpretation and principles according to which conflicts among the rules of law may be resolved. Maimonides, the pre-eminent early medieval philosopher and expounder of the Torah, records the doctrine that the Torah will not be altered, either in its entirety or in part, as one of the Thirteen Principles of Faith. The divine nature of the Torah renders it immutable and hence not subject to amendment or modification.
- @DYK admins: , Your views on this, please.Davidbena (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Considering current world-context, I think the hook is a no-go; if a less controversial hook could be found, that would be better. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Okay, since that makes two people here that hold to that view, I would be willing to change the hook to read as follows:
- Considering current world-context, I think the hook is a no-go; if a less controversial hook could be found, that would be better. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a religious Jewish soldier to abandon the Kosher dietary laws of the Jewish nation and to eat Terefah (non-Kosher foods) when engaged in warfare and there was Kosher food scarcity?
- Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC 54817857.; Maimonides (2016). Mishneh Torah by Moses Maimonides (Book of Shoftim) (in Hebrew). Vol. 14. Jerusalem; Bnei Brak: Shabse Frankel. p. 269 (Hil. Melekhim 8:1). OCLC 989980005.
-Davidbena (talk) 16:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Far too long (see WP:DYK200) and rather repetitive. Also, parentheses aren't allowed in a hook. Significant trimming or a new hook needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29:, Okay, I'll reword the hook. How does this one sound?
- ALT5: ... that in the Israelite traditional laws of armed conflict it was permissible for a Jewish soldier to abandon the Kosher dietary laws and to eat non-Kosher foods during war?
- Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC 54817857.; Maimonides (2016). Mishneh Torah by Moses Maimonides (Book of Shoftim) (in Hebrew). Vol. 14. Jerusalem; Bnei Brak: Shabse Frankel. p. 269 (Hil. Melekhim 8:1). OCLC 989980005.
-Davidbena (talk) 19:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about adding some intrigue to this: ALT5a: ... that in certain circumstances Jewish soldiers may abandon Kosher dietary laws?--Launchballer 13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:, Yes, of course, that is an excellent idea! People will click onto the link right away!Davidbena (talk) 23:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are these the only circumstances in which abandoning the kosher laws is permitted? If not, the link becomes rather MOS:EGGy. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29:, these are extenuating circumstances. The only other time when Jews can eat non-Kosher foods, including ordinary people that are not soldiers, is when they are faced with famine and if they do not eat the non-Kosher animal they would surely die of starvation. In all commandments a Jew may transgress in order to save his own life, except in three things: 1) to murder someone; 2) to worship idolatry; and 3) to engage in a forbidden sexual act.Davidbena (talk) 17:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Would ALT5b: ... that there is a circumstance in which Jewish soldiers may abandon Kosher dietary laws? solve the problem?--Launchballer 22:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:, Yes, that is a better way of wording it.Davidbena (talk) 17:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are these the only circumstances in which abandoning the kosher laws is permitted? If not, the link becomes rather MOS:EGGy. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:, Yes, of course, that is an excellent idea! People will click onto the link right away!Davidbena (talk) 23:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- How about adding some intrigue to this: ALT5a: ... that in certain circumstances Jewish soldiers may abandon Kosher dietary laws?--Launchballer 13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I still prefer this DYK over all the rest:
- ALT6: ...that there is a circumstance in which it was permissible for Jewish soldiers to abandon the Kosher dietary laws and to eat non-Kosher foods?Davidbena (talk) 18:02, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 22[edit]
Khirbet el-Qutt
- ... that hiding complexes from the Bar Kokhba revolt were found in Khirbet el-Qutt and other places in ancient Samaria?
- Source: "Khirbet el-Qutt -A Fortified Jewish Village in Southern Samaria from the Second Temple Period and the Bar Kokhba Revolt"; "Jewish Settlement in the Toparchy of Acraba during the Second Temple Period - The Archaeological Evidence". Judea and Samaria Research Studies8. 18: 177–200 – via academia.edu; "תולדות היישוב בהר שומרון בתקופה הרומית־ביזנטית". kotar.cet.ac.il. Retrieved 2024-05-21.
- Reviewed:
Owenglyndur (talk) 13:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC).
- I have begun the review process of this DYK, and the hook seems good and accurate, based on the sources cited. The article is also new enough, having been created on 21 May 2024.
Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism concerns; reliable sources are used. The article, however, can be improved by using the common spelling "archaeological" (instead of "archeological"). This will bring uniformity in spelling, as, currently, both spellings are used in the article.Davidbena (talk) 00:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- A suggested improvement might be to add the word "underground" in the hook, even though the link explains what is meant by "hiding complexes." Most editors will not click onto the link, and therefore it is helpful to add this clarification at the very outset. For example, ALT1 ... that underground hiding complexes from the Bar Kokhba revolt were found in Khirbet el-Qutt and other places in ancient Samaria? (End Quote).Davidbena (talk) 01:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Davidbena: I just removed a copyright violation from the article and will be asking for the effected revisions to be deleted. I have not yet check the rest of the article, but given a COPYVIO issue here and on other articles by User:OwenGlyndur (see the revision history of Ein Gedi synagogue and Ein Gedi archaeological site) I recommend that this nomination should be declined until we are confident that the remainder of this article does not breach WP:COPYVIO. Richard Nevell (talk) 19:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. I overlooked the copyright violation. If the creator of this article wishes to rewrite (paraphrase) the sections that he plagiarized, there can be some redress to what was done.Davidbena (talk) 21:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note that after the recent copyvio deletions, the article at 1335 prose characters is too short to qualify for DYK (1500 prose character minimum). If it hasn't been expanded sufficiently within seven days, it should be marked as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Owenglyndur: Have you addressed the above? Z1720 (talk) 15:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Owenglyndur: This is currently above 1500 characters, however there are currently multiple maintenance templates within the article and these need rectifying.--Launchballer 08:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:I have addresses you comments Owenglyndur (talk) 08:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me. I'm not seeing 'and other places' in the article and I'd probably lose both it and 'from the Bar Kokhba revolt' per WP:DYKTRIM. The rest would need an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 08:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer:I have addresses you comments Owenglyndur (talk) 08:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Owenglyndur: This is currently above 1500 characters, however there are currently multiple maintenance templates within the article and these need rectifying.--Launchballer 08:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. I overlooked the copyright violation. If the creator of this article wishes to rewrite (paraphrase) the sections that he plagiarized, there can be some redress to what was done.Davidbena (talk) 21:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
I'm really excited about the opening of the Tuen Ma line
- ... that a train enthusiast was so excited about the opening of the Tuen Ma line that he sang about it?
- ALT1: ... that on this day three years ago, someone was really excited about the opening of Tuen Ma line? Source: SCMPMing Pao
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/REM de l'Est
- Comment: I'd like to request for the date to be June 27th since that day is the third anniversary of the opening of the line and the third anniversary of the phrase being said.
On another note, as I will be going to China from tomorrow until the 30th, and as most will know Wikipedia can't be used in China, I'd appreciate some patience if I don't answer until after that date. I might use roaming to make minor edits or answer some questions before then, but I likely won't make any large-scale edits until after.
S5A-0043Talk 08:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC).
- Comment (not a full review). Per the spirit of WP:BLP, I do not think an article about an autistic boy who became an internet meme is suitable for the Main Page, especially if the full name is mentioned. (The original media reports used 羅先生 (Mr. Law) or 羅同學 (Classmate Law); I do not know when and which HK media started using the full name). The article itself mentions doxxing and negative attention; posting on our Main Page has the potential to lead to further harm. I would suggest not to post this without clear consensus otherwise from a place like the BLP noticeboard. —Kusma (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee and Kusma: I'll consolidate my response over here so as not to split the discussion too much and cause any confusion. For the person name, while the person is indeed referred as 羅同學 or 羅先生 a lot in Chinese media, the ones I found in English (SCMP and The Standard in particular) refer to the person by the full name Jason Law: [5][6][7][8]. In fact The Standard included the romanization of 哲琛 as well, but I decided against including it since it isn't really a critical detail in this case. My reasoning for the usage of the full name is based on WP:COMMONNAME, which states that we "generally prefer the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources" (emphasis added in italics). Yes this isn't an article title but nonetheless since "Mr Law" or "Classmate Law" isn't as widespread in English I don't think it'll be helpful in this case.
I'm not opposed to a discussion on WP:BLPN or somewhere else, but respectfully I'm not sure whether it still matters. As in, it's been three years since the phrase was first said. During these three years, not only has the person made further appearences and interviews [9][10], he has even appeared in an official MTR video re-enacting the scene [11][12]. I'm very sympathetic to his experience of being doxxed, but I genuinely think that given the time passage it isn't particularly as big of a deal as we may think. Him opening up about being doxxed was in 2021; he is still making appearences thanks to the notability from this phrase in 2022. If there was so much of a worry, he could've rejected any further publicity and we wouldn't be seeing him in the MTR video. In addition, there's been far less coverage about the doxxing as far as I can find compared to the more positive aspects, meaning most media (and in turn WP:RSes) don't think this is an important aspect to cover either. I hope I summed up my perspective well enough, and I'm open to any objections.
Regarding a possible merge as suggested on WT:DYK, my opinion would be oppose. The article easily passes WP:GNG with the number of sources covering the subject, and the MTR video shows that it still has a lasting effect even one year later. Plus, I'm not sure how the article can be merged. I already had a hard time finding articles to link to my article on existing content, and (at least for me) it's quite tough to add details of this event into other articles. S5A-0043Talk 02:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee and Kusma: I'll consolidate my response over here so as not to split the discussion too much and cause any confusion. For the person name, while the person is indeed referred as 羅同學 or 羅先生 a lot in Chinese media, the ones I found in English (SCMP and The Standard in particular) refer to the person by the full name Jason Law: [5][6][7][8]. In fact The Standard included the romanization of 哲琛 as well, but I decided against including it since it isn't really a critical detail in this case. My reasoning for the usage of the full name is based on WP:COMMONNAME, which states that we "generally prefer the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources" (emphasis added in italics). Yes this isn't an article title but nonetheless since "Mr Law" or "Classmate Law" isn't as widespread in English I don't think it'll be helpful in this case.
- I find it difficult to judge whether he really embraces his popularity. His YouTube just looks like railfan stuff not trying to profit from his viral appearance. Happy to hear other opinions. —Kusma (talk) 09:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like he's talked to reporters, so he's not shy about coverage – but this has to be an NEVENT fail, right? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- oh, maybe not. hm... i do think this would be better merged, but if we go through with this, let's be kind to the guy. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I find it difficult to judge whether he really embraces his popularity. His YouTube just looks like railfan stuff not trying to profit from his viral appearance. Happy to hear other opinions. —Kusma (talk) 09:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Given the concerns about whether or not the article meets BLP and the notability guidelines, along with how this still hasn't gotten an actual review despite being open for over a month, I wonder if it would be for the best to just reject this nomination as a bad fit for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm just going ahead and marking this for closure due to a lack of review, which suggests that editors are reluctant to touch it over its content and context. Probably for the best. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:28, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair, the only reason I haven't reviewed this is because I strictly review oldest first and there are a few ahead of this. I'd be wanting a very strong rationale as to why this article should stay up given WP:MPJI, especially given that a common facet of autism is an impaired sense of danger awareness - perhaps I'm extrapolating from mine but he may very well have not realised 'doing this will attract further odium'.--Launchballer 09:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 23[edit]
Avatar Studios (production company)
- ... that Avatar Studios is developing three animated films set in the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender?
- ALT1: ... that Avatar Studios, a production company dedicated to developing new projects set in the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender, was launched in 2021? Source: https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/avatar-last-airbender-legend-of-korra-nickelodeon-1234914149/
- Reviewed:
Zingo156 (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC).
- This looks on track. No QPQ required. Article meets requirements as far as length and sourcing. ALT1 will age a little better, but there might be a clearer way to phrase it. Did you want to take a shot at re-working it a bit? I don't mind trying to help. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Did you know that in 2021, Nickelodeon launched Avatar Studios to produce new projects set in the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender". Does that work? Zingo156 (talk) 13:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is much improved. Approving ALT1a:
- ALT1a ... that in 2021, Nickelodeon launched Avatar Studios to produce new projects set in the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender?
- Good work. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shooterwalker, if you are approving this nomination, you need to use the appropriate icon to indicate this and so the bot can tell the review is complete. If you aren't, what else might need to be done? Have you completed the neutrality and copyvio checks? The hook sourcing check? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- My mistake, and I can give it the approval icon. I can confirm this meets all the requirements, including copyvio and WP:NPOV. I am standing by in case there is anything else. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Shooterwalker and Zingo156: not really meeting WP:DYKINT, to my mind. I won't be promoting this, and if others don't either this nomination will be rejected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- My mistake, and I can give it the approval icon. I can confirm this meets all the requirements, including copyvio and WP:NPOV. I am standing by in case there is anything else. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shooterwalker, if you are approving this nomination, you need to use the appropriate icon to indicate this and so the bot can tell the review is complete. If you aren't, what else might need to be done? Have you completed the neutrality and copyvio checks? The hook sourcing check? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is much improved. Approving ALT1a:
- "Did you know that in 2021, Nickelodeon launched Avatar Studios to produce new projects set in the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender". Does that work? Zingo156 (talk) 13:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
@Zingo156, Shooterwalker, AirshipJungleman29, and SL93: I was going to object to this hook in prep because I don't see how it is likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers
, but I came here to see that Airship had already undone Shooterwalker's approval to lodge the exact same objection. SL93, please make sure to only promote approved hooks. Could a new hook be provided, please? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- After taking a look at the article, there does not seem to be anything in the article that would make for a hook (other than maybe "that Paramount has established a production company to oversee the Avatar franchise", which I don't think would fly). As such, unfortunately as currently written the article appears not to be a good fit for DYK. Pinging the nominator Zingo156 for their input. I understand if this is a disappointing and unwelcome result and I hope this does not discourage you from contributing further to DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 26[edit]
Yang Jingru (speed skater)
- ... that speed skater Yang Jingru is the first Chinese gold medalist at the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics in Gangwon, South Korea?
- Source: 首金!杨婧茹获冬青奥会短道速滑女子1500米金牌
- ALT1: ... that during the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics, Chinese speed skater Yang Jingru and her teammate used 'rabbit tactic', which the TikTok account of the International Olympic Committee praised as an 'incredible strategy'? Source: Chinese teenage skaters' "rabbit tactic" goes viral - Xinhua
- ALT2: ... that Chinese speed skater Yang Jingru and her teammate's performance at the 1500 metres short speed skating in the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics was considered a 'genius trick'? Source: https://www.foxsports.com.au/olympics/better-than-bradbury-fans-melt-down-over-most-genius-trick-olympics-have-ever-seen/news-story/1897d6e4bf4078f7a30d66ed5f6fbfb3
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Larrabee County, Iowa
Toadboy123 (talk) 11:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC).
- I have some sourcing concerns on this new enough and large enough expansion. I have to AGF on the Chinese-language sourcing.
- Can we say that "the IOC" praised it as "genius" when their TikTok account did?
- The Fox Sports Australia piece is similarly fluffy/listicle-y. The "genius trick" item was actually in SB Nation here, and we should replace Fox Sports Australia with the original source.
- I'd like to see these issues addressed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Toadboy123: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: I have made modifications as per the issues you stated: 1. updated the ALT1 hook to state that TikTok account mentioned it as such. 2. Updated the link by replacing Fox News with SB Nation. Let me know if its good to go now. Toadboy123 (talk) 03:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sammi Brie, this needs your attention. Schwede66 03:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toadboy123: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 27[edit]
Kaur (short film)
- ... that in the British short film Kaur, a Sikh father does not approve of his daughter wearing a turban?
- Source: ""Kaur" told the story of a Sikh woman who chose to defy her father's wishes by wearing a turban."...[13]
- Reviewed: William Post
- Comment: Still have a bit more work to do on it
Whispyhistory (talk) 05:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC).
- A new hook has to be proposed as the current one does not meet WP:DYKFICTION. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1... that the British short film Kaur (2022), toured Gurudwaras, festivals and universities in the UK before appearing on ITVX, BritBox and then Netflix? Whispyhistory (talk) 06:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still not so sure if this works either. @Launchballer: What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Parentheses aren't allowed per WP:DYK200, and I think 'ITVX, Britbox and then Netflix' is pure namedropping (and it should really be 'Britbox, and'). I'll take a look when I get back, but I'd be inclined to take a rewritten version of ALT1, like so: ALT1a: ... that prior to appearing on video-on-demand services, the 2022 short film Kaur had toured festivals, universities, and gurdwaras? Also, is there a difference between 'gurdwara' and 'gurudwara'?--Launchballer 11:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I just had a flick through the references. Per ref #3, there's a hook in some variant of ... that Dr Parvinder Shergill became so fed up of waiting for another film to be led by a Sikh woman that she co-wrote and co-produced her own?.--Launchballer 14:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you both... I'll work on it... sounds good. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I just had a flick through the references. Per ref #3, there's a hook in some variant of ... that Dr Parvinder Shergill became so fed up of waiting for another film to be led by a Sikh woman that she co-wrote and co-produced her own?.--Launchballer 14:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Parentheses aren't allowed per WP:DYK200, and I think 'ITVX, Britbox and then Netflix' is pure namedropping (and it should really be 'Britbox, and'). I'll take a look when I get back, but I'd be inclined to take a rewritten version of ALT1, like so: ALT1a: ... that prior to appearing on video-on-demand services, the 2022 short film Kaur had toured festivals, universities, and gurdwaras? Also, is there a difference between 'gurdwara' and 'gurudwara'?--Launchballer 11:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still not so sure if this works either. @Launchballer: What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2... that British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her so she co-wrote and co-produced her own?Actor, writer and producer Parvinder Shergill...she's had to wait too long to see movies featuring women who look like her....Bend it like Beckham, 20 years ago, was the last mainstream film to feature women from her background...She co-wrote and co-produced it ...[14][15] Whispyhistory (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reads a bit breathless. I'm going to suggest:
- ALT2a... that after British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her, she co-wrote and co-produced her own?
- ...and call for a full reviewer.--Launchballer 21:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Croton alabamensis
- ... that the Alabama croton is related to plants found in Cuba and is cultivated at the Mt. Cuba Center in Delaware?
- Source: X, 1034436770698604544: "Alabama croton, with its silvery undersides on its foliage, balances out this late summer arrangement. Croton alabamensis var. alabamensis is found in the wild in just a few counties in Alabama. We have some specimens planted along our Main Drive,", "C. alabamensis emerges alone on a long branch that is sister to Croton section Corylocroton and the Cuban endemic genus Moacroton", Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
- ALT1: ... that the two varieties of Alabama croton are separated by more than 1,000 kilometres (620 mi)? Source: "In a surprising discovery in 1989, C. alabamensis was found in central Texas, more than 1000 km from the Alabama populations" Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Drew Thomas
TDogg310 (talk) 00:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
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- Cited: - For ALT0, Twitter/X is generally not a reliable source, and the other citation for the plant being at the Mt. Cuba Center in the article fails verification. For ALT1, the source given in the nomination is different to the one in the article (Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference), and both are offline so I can't check.
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Overall: Thanks for doing a QPQ even though you didn't have to! The one problem is the hook citing - due to the citation given for ALT1 being different to the one used for that fact in the article with both being offline, I don't think I can give this an AGF pass. If you either add the Molecular Ecology source to the statement in the article or provide the relevant quote from Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference, I think I can pass ALT1 (but not ALT0). Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 02:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 28[edit]
List of historic places in Kaikōura District
- ... that Cumming "Cum" Haswell erected a historic villa, later described as "modestly-scaled but ornamental"?
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 22:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC).
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- Interesting: - perhaps state that Haswell was a carpenter, as he could have just been the owner?
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Overall: Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 29[edit]
Rhapsody (climb)
... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody became the first-ever E11-graded traditional rock climbing route?
- Reviewed:
Aszx5000 (talk) 19:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
- Not really sure if this particular hook fact or wording is the best option here. It's really reliant on specialist information, specifically a grade of rock climbing that isn't even a universal or international one. My suggestion would be, if possible, to propose a hook that could be easily understood even by non-rock climbers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody was the hardest traditional climbing route in the world?", with sourcing here Last year he succeeded in making what is generally recognised as the world's hardest 'traditional' climb, Rhapsody, on Dumbarton Rock from the BBC, and Rhapsody is officially known as the world's hardest traditional rock climb from Telegraph. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a much better hook. This is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I am doing a GA review of this article. If passed, I would recommend passing the DYK hook as well. xq 11:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- 48JCL, please note that the GA reviewer may not also review the DYK nomination. Different reviewers are required per DYK rules. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: sorry, that is not what I meant for my comment to go for. I meant to say that a spotcheck was not needed as I did one in the GAR. 48JCL 13:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- 48JCL, even so, that's still not appropriate. The DYK reviewer needs to do their own checking independent of the GA review, and should take nothing for granted by the fact that it achieved GA status or that some other reviewer approved parts of its review. There have been some GAs that ended up being delisted based on significant issues found by the subsequent DYK reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: sorry, that is not what I meant for my comment to go for. I meant to say that a spotcheck was not needed as I did one in the GAR. 48JCL 13:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- 48JCL, please note that the GA reviewer may not also review the DYK nomination. Different reviewers are required per DYK rules. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I am doing a GA review of this article. If passed, I would recommend passing the DYK hook as well. xq 11:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a much better hook. This is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody was the hardest traditional climbing route in the world?", with sourcing here Last year he succeeded in making what is generally recognised as the world's hardest 'traditional' climb, Rhapsody, on Dumbarton Rock from the BBC, and Rhapsody is officially known as the world's hardest traditional rock climb from Telegraph. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that new hook has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 30[edit]
Felix Eberty
- ... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
- Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.
Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."
The New YorkerThriley (talk) 21:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
- The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Erdős–Moser equation
- ... that all solutions of the Erdős–Moser equation correspond to convergents of ln(2), yielding "one of very few instances where a large scale computation of a numerical constant has an application"?
- ALT1: ... that the only known solution to the Erdős–Moser equation is 1 + 2 = 3?
- Source: [16]
- Reviewed:
LucasBrown 11:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC).
- Pinging David Eppstein if he could contribute to the nomination (either as a reviewer or to suggest hooks) as the current hook seems very specialist or complex and thus may not be easily understood by general readership. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- According to our DYK rules, "Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". I don't think that is the case for the proposed hook. Also, I think the hook is misleading: as far as we know, it could be the case that all solutions of the equation are the single solution 1+2=3, unrelated to the log(2) calculation. And calling this an "application" is dubious when it is just a mathematical calculation used to support another mathematical calculation. I have generally interpreted this rule as requiring that the hook connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond mathematics (just as we require that hooks about fiction connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond the plot). Unfortunately I see no non-mathematics at all in the article, on which to build a hook. It's kind of interesting to me that the known lower bound on a second solution is such a huge number, but I don't think I represent a general reader for this purpose. I do also agree that the walls of equations make the article hard to read (not just to the average reader), but that is not really a DYK criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's better. It still doesn't relate to non-mathematics at all, but at least it's (1) at a level understandable to the general reader, and (2) kind of intriguing how something so basic-looking as 1+2=3 could be the basis of something where we don't know if there is another solution. The question is whether it's enough better to pass the interestingness test. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I also think that's better. I was going to suggest something like "... no one knows whether the Erdős–Moser equation has more than one solution". XOR'easter (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have added the 1+2=3 hook to the list. - LucasBrown 04:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 is brilliant! Schwede66 04:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that additional hooks have been suggested. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 2[edit]
David Fishwick
... that David Fishwick became the biggest minibus supplier in Britain after finding he could not afford a chip butty for lunch?Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/fame-fortune/like-big-banks-hate-do-nothing-help-public/- ALT1: ... that David Fishwick founded "Bank on Dave" after big banks abruptly stopped lending his customers money? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/jul/06/bank-of-dave-small-business-finance-dave-fishwick
- ALT2: ... that David Fishwick presented the 2018 Channel 4 series How to Get Rich Quick? Source: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/how-to-get-rich-quick-can-you-hear-it-ka-ching-1.3574894
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Toro de fuego
Launchballer 12:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC).
- Will be reviewing this. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 13:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Good to go! 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 21:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I call false positive as that quote is fully attributed and therefore not a copyright violation.--Launchballer 22:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Approving ALT0. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 22:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- pulled at request of nominator. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (he could afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer 20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that David Fishwick went from a £27.50 a week pebbledashing job to becoming the biggest minibus supplier in Britain?
- ALT4: ... that David Fishwick used to stuff his wallet with paper to appear richer to prospective sellers?
- ALT5: ... that David Fishwick married his wife after she told him his music was rubbish?
- ALT6: ... that David Fishwick decided he no longer wanted to be poor following an incident involving a chip butty?
- ALT7: ... that a Times reviewer of Channel 4's Bank of Dave opined that David Fishwick "could have been one of the best comedy characters of 2012"?
- ... and if "200 characters" wasn't a thing, I'd propose "that David Fishwick's How to Get Rich Quick "encourages people of modest means to pursue equally modest dreams in the very modest hopes, several weeks of hard work later, of doubling their modest investments"?.--Launchballer 10:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT8: ... that when a writer contacted David Fishwick to express interest in making a film about his bank, he insisted that it was shot in Burnley?--Launchballer 13:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (he could afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer 20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 3[edit]
Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men (The Boys episode)
- ... that writers for "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" researched the experiments of Nikola Tesla for the use of Stormfront's lightning in the episode?
- Reviewed:
TarheelBornBred (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
- Passerby comment (this is not a full review, feel free for others to take this nomination to review): to a reader without context not familiar with characters in the show, "Stormfront's lightning" will read weirdly, like a misspelled comment on the brightness of the Stormfront website. "Researched" is also a bit high-falutin', it's not like they actually did some physics research for the episode - the source quotes them as saying "we looked at Nikola Tesla". Maybe something like:
- ALT1: that writers for "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" were inspired by the experiments of Nikola Tesla for depicting a lightning attack in the episode?
- ALT2: that writers for the episode "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" were inspired by the experiments of Nikola Tesla for depicting a lightning attack used by the malicious superheroine Stormfront?
- ALT2 includes Stormfront still if desired, but clarifies that it's talking about a character not the website. SnowFire (talk) 03:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Inauguration of Lai Ching-te
- ... that China launched a joint military exercise in response to Lai Ching-te's inauguration?
- Source: AP
- ALT1: ... that members of the Kuomintang refused to attend Lai Ching-te's inauguration after losing by 10 percent? Source: Radio Taiwan International
- Reviewed:
- Comment: First time here at DYK, please correct me if I make any mistakes, thanks!
'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
- It looks like this meets the DYK requirements as far as length and timing. The sources look good. I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia's approach to this topic area, but have you reviewed Wikipedia:Manual of Style/China- and Chinese-related articles? I don't personally see any issues but I wanted to at least do my diligence. Once we figure that out, each hook should also add a little more context for the average reader, explaining a bit more of the who / where. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @CanonNi: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720:, thanks for the ping. Honestly, I kinda forgot about this nomination... @Shooterwalker: thanks for the feedback. I've reviewed the MOS and think that the article and hook meet the guidlines and would be happy to fix any mistakes. About the context, I agree, so maybe we could change it to something like "...that China launched a military exercise in response to the inauguration of Lai Ching-te as president of Taiwan? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 6[edit]
Breaking Through (2022 film)
- ... that in order to embody her acting role as a short-track speed skater in the movie Breaking Through, actress Meng Meiqi inserted a rock in one of her ice skates in order to feel real pain?
- ALT1: ... that the 2022 Chinese sports drama movie Breaking Through was shot in Northeast China at temperatures of −10 °C (14 °F)? Source: 《我心飞扬》曝海报 孟美岐领衔“四朵金花”冲金
- ALT2: ... that for her role as short-track speed skater in the movie Breaking Through, actress Meng Meiqi gained a weight of 15 kg (33 lb) in order to be closer in terms of physique of a short-track speed skater? Source: 《我心飞扬》曝海报 孟美岐领衔“四朵金花”冲金
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Daniel Chapo
Toadboy123 (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC).
- Full review is to follow (spot check seems to check out though for newness and length), but before the review continues, I would suggest that the article be given a copyedit. The first hook is probably the best option here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Sure. Do let me know what copyedit I should do for the article. Toadboy123 (talk) 18:49, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both the Production and Pre-publicity and release sections are the ones in need of copyediting. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: So I have completed the copyedit on the stated sections. Do let me know how it is? Toadboy123 (talk) 13:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are still multiple grammatical issues and weird wordings in the article, such as "Winter Olympic Games but lose opportunity to win the gold medal" and "In order to present the best effect of Olympic athlete." I'll see if I can ask another editor to give this a copyedit, either Bruxton or Launchballer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can take a look at this.--Launchballer 09:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I took out a number of clauses which were either tautologous or too nebulous to mean anything useful. I note that WP:UPSD highlights refs #6, #7, and #18 in yellow and wonder what makes them reliable, and I suggest that the single-sentence #Soundtrack section should either be expanded or merged.--Launchballer 06:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: So I have integrated the single line of 'Soundtrack' with 'Production and pre-publicity'. Are there any other aspects that needs to be rectified before the article can be all cleared for DYK? - Toadboy123 (talk) 18:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've moved it to another part of the article, as single-sentence paragraphs are discouraged per WP:PARAGRAPH. I'll let Narutolovehinata5 complete the rest of the review, including sources.--Launchballer 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: So I have integrated the single line of 'Soundtrack' with 'Production and pre-publicity'. Are there any other aspects that needs to be rectified before the article can be all cleared for DYK? - Toadboy123 (talk) 18:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I took out a number of clauses which were either tautologous or too nebulous to mean anything useful. I note that WP:UPSD highlights refs #6, #7, and #18 in yellow and wonder what makes them reliable, and I suggest that the single-sentence #Soundtrack section should either be expanded or merged.--Launchballer 06:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can take a look at this.--Launchballer 09:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are still multiple grammatical issues and weird wordings in the article, such as "Winter Olympic Games but lose opportunity to win the gold medal" and "In order to present the best effect of Olympic athlete." I'll see if I can ask another editor to give this a copyedit, either Bruxton or Launchballer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: So I have completed the copyedit on the stated sections. Do let me know how it is? Toadboy123 (talk) 13:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both the Production and Pre-publicity and release sections are the ones in need of copyediting. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 7[edit]
Scybalium fungiforme
- ... that the flowers of Scybalium fungiforme are covered in sharp scales that require opossums, with their opposable claws, to tear them open?
- Source: "Today, scientists have added another oddity to the list. Researchers had long suspected that because the female flowers of S. fungiforme are covered in hard scales that shield its nectar, it couldn't be pollinated by a bird or bee. And now, thanks to night vision cameras, scientists have their culprit: opossums." Shultz, David (12 February 2020). "Caught in the act: Opossums pollinate bizarre parasitic plant". Science. American Association for the Advancement of Science. doi:10.1126/science.abb2822. Retrieved 7 June 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Esther Tailfeathers
- Comment: If there are any alternative wordings for the hook, I would be very much welcome to hear it! It is a very interesting plant that I believe would make a great hook. Thank you in advance to the reviewer for taking their time reading through this article!
Ornithoptera (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
- Starting Review--Kevmin § 17:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Article new enough and long enough. The sections are all cited, and sources are all of good quality and neutrally represented. The description section is a little close to the translated source text and should be massaged into smoother flowing prose. As an alternative to hook, you could go with
- Alt1 ... that the primary pollinators of the parasitic Scybalium fungiforme plant (pictured) are saruê possums?--Kevmin § 16:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Kevmin:! Thank you for taking the time to read through the article,
and I will definitely take into account your suggestion in a moment(just reworded in accordance to your suggestion, if you have any more suggestions to help with the flow, you are welcome to share them!). I appreciate the alternative hook, but to me it feels a bit dry. I would like to emphasize in the hook how the flowers are torn open by possums. Matter of factly telling people that an animal pollinates plants (both of which they might not know) feel a bit dry to those who are not familiar with plant pollination. To folks who are familiar with pollination, knowing that mammals pollinate flowers is an uncommon pollination method and thus interesting, but its too niche to be hook-y to me. Including the idea that the flowers are essentially hidden away until they are torn open could be quite interesting to someone unfamiliar with the subject area. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: I can respect that. With the original hook, its long feeling, we should be looking to streamline it. None of the sources used so far have called the inflorescence scales "sharp", as a note. The Amorim et al 2020 paper specifically uses the terms "scrap and remove" and "desquamate" so maybe going with a peeling analogy. Also did you see there is a Dec 2002 paper also lead by Amorim which details bat visitation to the flowers doi:10.1002/ecy.3935 and documents two possum species and a second major scale removing group in the ruby-crowned tanager, Tachyphonus coronatus?--Kevmin § 20:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alt2...that before they can be pollinated, flowers of Scybalium fungiforme need to be forcefully peeled open by possums or tanagers?
- @Kevmin: Hi! I did not! Fascinating resource though! It sounds like a much improved hook, and I didn't notice that article while I was doing my research! You are very much welcome to insert it into the article, but it sounds good to me! Ornithoptera (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Hi! I haven't heard from you in a bit ever since I had replied last so I wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter and continue with the review? Ornithoptera (talk) 20:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Kevmin:! Thank you for taking the time to read through the article,
- Sorry about the lack of replies, Life got hectic with a burst water heater. If you want me to add the last source, I can do it, but that means adding me to the nom as a contributor and asking for a full review from an uninvolved editor. It would be easier for you to do an update to the article with paper #2 and I can then verify the alt hook and check the nom as good to go.--Kevmin § 16:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: which of these two options would you prefer to pursue?--Kevmin § 18:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Hey, sorry, frankly I read the response in my head and forgot to respond entirely, my apologies. My sincerest apologies in regards to what's been going on in your life at the moment and thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to review the DYK nomination regardless. I hope it is resolved as soon as possible and hoping the best for you and anyone else who is affected. I will choose the easier option and update the article myself. Thank you for informing me that the option I had suggested would lead to that, I didn't know that would happen. I'll do my best to update the article later today and ping you once I have completed it! Ornithoptera (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: No worries, the larger life things resolved over the past week and I have more free time again (plus insidious temps outside so more reason to be inside writing :D ). Its in the subrules for DYK so may contributors don't know about it until the specific senarios present themselves. Basically as soon as a reviewer provides anything more then cosmetic edits to a nominated article they are considered a nominator and not a reviewer and thus a new review is needed with a non-nominator. I dont mind doing the update if you would like me too, mostly it will mean the nomination gets punted back and we wait for another reviewer to vet our combined work.--Kevmin § 22:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: Hey, sorry, frankly I read the response in my head and forgot to respond entirely, my apologies. My sincerest apologies in regards to what's been going on in your life at the moment and thank you for taking the time out of your schedule to review the DYK nomination regardless. I hope it is resolved as soon as possible and hoping the best for you and anyone else who is affected. I will choose the easier option and update the article myself. Thank you for informing me that the option I had suggested would lead to that, I didn't know that would happen. I'll do my best to update the article later today and ping you once I have completed it! Ornithoptera (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Better Off Dead?
- ... that a reviewer called a documentary on assisted suicide "so funny"? Source: "What I wasn't expecting was for it to be quite so funny." Better Off Dead review – a powerful (and funny) case against assisted dying
- ALT0a: ... that a reviewer did not expect a documentary on assisted suicide to be so funny?
- ALT1: ... that a reviewer said that Better Off Dead? "unnerves you so much you half-wish you hadn't seen it"? Source: "Every so often, a documentary comes along that unnerves you so much you half-wish you hadn't seen it." The week in TV: Better Off Dead?; Bridgerton; The Gathering; The Big Cigar – review
- ALT2: ... that in Better Off Dead?, there is an automated hotline for assisted suicide? Source: "We hear the automated voice message on the 24-hour Maid hotline that those seeking to die can call." Better Off Dead? review – Liz Carr’s blistering film may well change your mind about assisted dying
- Reviewed: Grant Hermanns
Sdrqaz (talk) 03:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC).
- no issues with the article. original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context. alt1 is boring. alt2 is confusing, and made me think that there was a hotline you could call in the documentary. ltbdl (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rating this article as a Start seems ... pretty low (is it
"developing but still quite incomplete"
?). If I may be frank, this review is seems a little harsh. ALT0 was not taken out of context: the reviewer is saying that the documentary was funny, no (see the quote)? I don't know how to address the charge of ALT1 being boring (I thought that something being unnerving and making a reviewer regret watching was interesting), and as for ALT2, I don't really follow: I believe that they did call the hotline in the documentary. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- of course the review is harsh, this is going on the main page. as for alt2, the wording is unclear. perhaps say something like "they call an automated hotline"? ltbdl (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've added ALT0a, which hopefully addresses the concern of
"original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context"
, given that it is the same formulation as the source. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)- My 2c: I'd paraphrase so funny to hilarious instead of writing it in Wikipedia's voice; see MOS:QUOTEPOV. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: My interpretation of QUOTEPOV was that attribution was preferred in this instance as
"Concise opinions that are not overly emotive can often be reported with attribution instead of direct quotation"
(second paragraph). Sdrqaz (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- Right, which is why it should be directly attributed to The Times instead of referring to the publication as merely the reviewer, and so funny should neither be quoted nor written in Wiki's voice since it creates POV issues either way:
- ALT0b: ... that a reviewer did not expect a documentary on assisted suicide would be that hilarious?
- hilarious should be neutral enough with attribution to the source, IMO. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: I don't understand how hilarious is more neutral than funny, given that funny seems like a
not overly emotive ... simple descriptive term
. I also do not think that it is necessary to mention which source that is in the hook, given that it goes against much of established practice – if you see theleekycauldron's essay (and its application of WP:WEASEL), the addition of "a reviewer" is already more than what is necessary. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)- @Sdrqaz: Except the reviewer didn't just say funny but so funny, which is near-synonymous with hilarious; the latter can just be as neutral with proper attribution to the speaker. I concede to the "reviewer" bit, tho; I've slightly modified my alt suggestion to reflect this.Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: I don't understand how hilarious is more neutral than funny, given that funny seems like a
- Right, which is why it should be directly attributed to The Times instead of referring to the publication as merely the reviewer, and so funny should neither be quoted nor written in Wiki's voice since it creates POV issues either way:
- @Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: My interpretation of QUOTEPOV was that attribution was preferred in this instance as
- My 2c: I'd paraphrase so funny to hilarious instead of writing it in Wikipedia's voice; see MOS:QUOTEPOV. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've added ALT0a, which hopefully addresses the concern of
- of course the review is harsh, this is going on the main page. as for alt2, the wording is unclear. perhaps say something like "they call an automated hotline"? ltbdl (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rating this article as a Start seems ... pretty low (is it
Articles created/expanded on June 8[edit]
Reggie Brown (wide receiver, born 1970)
- ... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL?
- Source: Alabama Journal (regarding injury) & Pro Football Reference (regarding NFL)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WUEC
BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: since this seems to be something of a medical claim, the hook should be attributing correctly (Brown paraphrasing his doctor), if it's run at all. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging BeanieFan11 - did you see Leeky's comment? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for missing it. @Theleekycauldron: So, something like this then? ALT1 ... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that his doctor said causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: His doctor didn't say it, Brown said his doctor said it. Which, if the doctor is alive, would arguably be an unreliable claim? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are you saying that you think Brown or his doctor was incorrect? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:51, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: His doctor didn't say it, Brown said his doctor said it. Which, if the doctor is alive, would arguably be an unreliable claim? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:35, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for missing it. @Theleekycauldron: So, something like this then? ALT1 ... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that his doctor said causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging BeanieFan11 - did you see Leeky's comment? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 9[edit]
Samuel Herbert Maw
- ... that the architect Samuel Herbert Maw is also well-known for his pictorial maps of Canada (example pictured)?
- Source: "Maw was also the author of a masterpiece of Canadian cartography, a bird’s-eye view of Quebec City, begun in 1926 and completed in 1932, in which he accurately rendered every single building in the Old Town and surrounding area, complete with a hand-drawn cartouche and historical notes on the significance of the buildings shown. Published by the Alexander Litho Co. Ltd. of Toronto, this map, measuring 27” x 35”, was reproduced in thousands of printed copies sold to tourists and visitors to Quebec for nearly three decades. A copy of the map can be found in National Map Collection, NAC, Ottawa. The popularity of this map led to another commission in 1939 for the Royal Tour of Canada. Entitled "This is Canada", it consisted of a full colour folio of maps of all nine provinces, printed in a spiral coil edition by The Macmillan Pub. Co. of Canada, and drawn by hand by S.H. Maw. The original folio was presented to King George VI & Queen Elizabeth by the Prime Minister of Canada. Just three years later, in 1942, he prepared an equally impressive Map of Montreal for the Tercentenary Celebrations of that city. It was placed on public display in the concourse of Windsor Station for several months. Yet another commission for a map was given to Maw in 1944 by the City of Ottawa, and he prepared a historical pictorial map of the Capital, unveiled at the National Gallery in Ottawa in 1944. This original map was later mounted on the north wall in the foyer of the Convention Hall in the Chateau Laurier Hotel."[1]
- Reviewed:
WikiFouf (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC).
- Very interesting. The article is long enough, it's new enough. It seems to be well-sourced, neutral, BLP-compliant, and copyvio-free. The other criteria seem to be met, except as follows: First, how is the image PD in the United States? And second, basically, I just have a quibble. The source certainly indicates his works were well known, but was he? The proposed hook does not make that clear.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Wehwalt! Frankly, I know very little about licensing and have no idea how to figure out what the map's American licensing is. Is there a database to search through or something? Your other quibble is also fair, "well known" might be a stretch for the current context, if we're talking about him specifically. I do believe he was locally well known (or, at least, known) during his career, judging from the historical media coverage I've read. I found this obituary from the Ottawa Journal which I think shows he was notable in his field(s). So, maybe change "is" to "was", "well known" to "known", or both?--WikiFouf (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Notable has a meaning in wiki-talk, see WP:GNG for example. Maybe we could focus on the fact that his works had thousands of reproductions?
- As for the image, it was, under Canadian law at the time, protected for fifty years after death. Per this, however the copyright may have been extended per WP:URAA. This is not a field in which I am expert. Do you know if the maps were also published in the US at the same time?
References
- ^ "Maw, Samuel Herbert". Biographical Dictionary of Architects in Canada. Retrieved 9 June 2024.
Barry Burton
- ... that Barry Burton gained popularity for having awkward or cringe-inducing lines—like "That was too close! You were almost a Jill Sandwich!" and "It’s Forest. OH MY COD!”? Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/oh-my-cod-an-ode-to-resident-evils-barry-burton https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3311562/barry-burton-best-resident-evil-character/ https://screenrant.com/best-resident-evil-npc-barry-re1/
- ALT1: ... Barry Burton's clanky-inducing lines—like "You were almost a Jill Sandwich!" from the first Resident Evil game were popular enough to be referenced in following games?"
Source: [1][2] About Eurogamer YT source. "It’s Forest. OH MY COD!” started from 0:39 to 0:43, while "Jill Sandwich" started at 2:26 to 2:29.
🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 10:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ McDonell, Jess (January 28, 2013). "Gaming Meme History: Jill Sandwich". GameSpot. Archived from the original on April 11, 2013. Retrieved August 12, 2017.
- ^ https://www.eurogamer.net/oh-my-cod-an-ode-to-resident-evils-barry-burton
Length and history verified. References good for original hook. But for ALT1 (and the Eurogamer one for the original, if you are linking to a page with video use {{cite AV media}} and give us the time when the statement is made in the video instead of making us look through the whole thing. Daniel Case (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Daniel Case about Eurogamer. "Jill Sandwich" started at 2:26 to 2:29. Thanks for informing me. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 06:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Architects' Tombs
- ... that according to legend, the engineers who built the Walls of Jerusalem are buried near the Jaffa Gate after the Ottoman sultan killed them for excluding David's Tomb on Mount Zion from the walls?
- ALT1: ... that according to legend, two tombs near the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem are said to belong to the architects of the city walls, who were killed by the sultan for leaving David's Tomb outside the walls? Source: https://www.iaa-conservation.org.il/projects_item_eng.asp?subject_id=10&site_id=3&id=112
- Reviewed:
PeleYoetz (talk) 11:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC).
- I have begun the review process of this DYK, and the hook seems good and accurate, based on the source cited. The article is also new enough, having been created on 9 June 2024.
Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism could be found; reliable sources are used. Since, according to the sources cited, there are several suspected identifications for these graves, it is perhaps best to add in the lead paragraph: “Although disputed, these graves are attributed to the engineers of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, who, according to Jerusalem legend, built the city's wall.” The hook should also clarify this point. For example:
- ALT2 ... that according to one legend, two engineers who built the Walls of Jerusalem are buried near the Jaffa Gate after the Ottoman sultan killed them for excluding David's Tomb on Mount Zion from the walls?Davidbena (talk) 03:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you @Davidbena:, it sounds good to me. Is there anything else needed from my side? PeleYoetz (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Based on the first reference/source that you cite in the article, the tombs are also known as Engineers' Tomb. This alternate name should also be mentioned in the lead paragraph.Davidbena (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Davidbena Now done. PeleYoetz (talk) 09:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 11[edit]
Shachar Sagiv
- ... that Shachar Sagiv, who is slated to represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics in the triathlon, is a brother of Ran Sagiv and a son of Shemi Sagiv, both of whom are former Olympians?
- Reviewed: Tobie Goedewaagen and Victory Vertical
- Comment: Nominated by Schwede66 on behalf of an IP editor, who will also provide the QPQ.
Schwede66 03:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC).
- Although the hook is shorter than 200 characters (at 185 characters), it does seem pretty long and a bit hard to read. I understand it might be difficult to compress the hook into a more concise one, but if that's possible I would suggest doing so anyway. Otherwise, another concern I have is that it's not exactly that uncommon for Olympic athletes to be relatives of other Olympians, and in any case the hook seems more to do with Sagiv's family than he himself. I'd like to see more suggestions that are more about Sagiv himself. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm a well-known athletics hook hater, but this one is actually unusual and interesting, IMO. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 06:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, it’s indeed rare to have two Olympians who are brothers and who also have a father who is an Olympian. And there is ample coverage of this fact in RSs in regard to him and his family precisely because it is notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C1F0:2A4D:7D90:217B (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- To shorten the hook even further than 185 characters, though I think 185 is appropriately concise, one might consider changing the lead-in of the hook to "that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics ..." That would bring the character count down 11, to a tidy 174, 26 characters short of the limit.
- In addition, we can bold Ran Sagiv and make the hook about his 5x expansion as well.2603:7000:2101:AA00:A407:4587:FBA9:6E1B (talk) 04:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics in the triathlon, is a brother of Ran Sagiv and a son of Shemi Sagiv, both of whom are former Olympians?
- You'd have to provide another QPQ, but if you do, we can certainly run this as a double hook. Schwede66 00:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming that this will be good to go at some point, I suggest that this be run on 30 July. See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Olympic hooks table. Schwede66 01:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 looks good. I will provide another QPQ. Also, run on 30 July makes good sense. Thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D4A:2D60:FB7D:680A (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't forget about the second QPQ. Schwede66 04:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 looks good. I will provide another QPQ. Also, run on 30 July makes good sense. Thanks. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D4A:2D60:FB7D:680A (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1a: ... that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics in the triathlon, is a brother of Ran Sagiv and a son of Shemi Sagiv, both of whom are former Olympians?
- Our IP editor might have fallen off the edge of earth. Without a second QPQ, I suggest we unbolden Ran Sagiv and proceed with ALT1a. Narutolovehinata5, are you happy to sign this off on this basis? Schwede66 04:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies. Real life interfered. I've now also done a qpq on Victory Vertical. ALT1 looks good. Thanks.2603:7000:2101:AA00:1C0D:29BD:F02A:DC84 (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 12[edit]
Team Disney Orlando
- ... that the Team Disney Orlando building in Florida features a 120 foot (37 m) sundial, the world's largest at the time of its construction?
- Source: “The huge, open drum in the middle of the building turns out to be not just an ornamental tower but a vast sundial—Disney officials claim it is the world’s largest—that functions as both a meditative central court and a way of observing the passage of time” [17]
- ALT1: ... that the Team Disney Orlando building in Florida features a 120 foot (37 m) sundial, the largest in North America? Source: "This experience with the largest sundial in North and South America led Dr. McCluney to a new interest in sundial design and a search for other sundial designers and makers. " [18]
- Reviewed:
–DMartin 02:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Dmartin969: I will do a full review later. However, I noticed that neither of these facts (that the sundial was allegedly the world's largest, and that the sundial is the largest in North America) is in the article. In addition, the sources say something slightly different for both of these: for the original hook, it's that Disney claims that the sundial is the world's largest, and for ALT1, it's that the sundial is the largest in the Americas (not just North America). Epicgenius (talk) 23:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 14[edit]
Kimboo
- ... that Kimboo—created by an Ivorian First Lady—was the first animated series to both feature a main character of native African descent and air on the U.S. BET network?
- Source: "Ebony Update: Marie-Thérèse Houphouët-Boigny, First Lady of the Ivory Coast". Ebony. Vol. XLV, no. 8. June 1990. p. 58. Archived from the original on 2024-06-15. Retrieved 2024-06-19 – via Google Books. / Erickson, Hal (2005). "Kimboo". Television Cartoon Shows: An Illustrated Encyclopedia, 1949 through 2003. McFarland. pp. 475–476. ISBN 0-7864-2099-5.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/L'Aube rouge (novel)
- Comment: Announced for my old article sandbox back in mid-December 2010, but never acted upon till the time I transitioned to my brand-new AFC queue. By the way, here's hoping WP can extend its coverage on African-produced animation in the years ahead. Stay tuned as I prepare for another DYK submission in a couple of days. Take care!
Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC).
- Formatting breaks MOS:SEAOFBLUE guideline, should probably just be merged into the "first lady" pipe. Orchastrattor (talk) 21:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman
- ... that the Bangladesh Krishak Sramik Awami League ordered a 55-pound (25 kg) cake on Bangladeshi president Sheikh Mujibur's 55th birthday?
- ALT1: ... that the birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was declared a public holiday in Bangladesh in 1972 to commemorate a visit from Indian prime minister Indira Gandhi? Source: https://www.kalbela.com/ajkerpatrika/joto-mot-toto-path/73707
- ALT2: ... that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, founder and first president of Bangladesh, had to experience his birthday in jail eight times? Source: https://www.banglatribune.com/national/840278/%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A8-%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%8B-%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%99%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%97%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A7%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%B0-%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%A8%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%AE%E0%A6%A6%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%A8
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent
- Comment: If you can please do copy edit for the article. I already requested in WP:GOCE but they take longer time to respond.
Mehedi Abedin (talk) 17:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC).
- Comment I have done some copyediting of the hooks. I will also give the article a basic copyedit. Therefore, I will leave the reviewing to someone else. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 15[edit]
Mohan Charan Majhi, 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election
- ... that Mohan Charan Majhi of Bharatiya Janata Party formed the Odisha state government by winning the elections ending the 24-year long Biju Janata Dal rule?
- Source: CNBC TV 18, The Statesman
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Way Less Sad and Template:Did you know nominations/Gloria Dickie
§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 18:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking.
When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking.
- Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 17[edit]
Healie
... that the character Healie's popularity with players lead to the introduction of monster recruitment in Dragon Quest V, a mechanic that inspired Dragon Quest Monsters?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: It's a little outside the seven days, but my PC was in the middle of being transferred. I considered an ALT, but I felt that any possible ALT would not be as strong as noting the influence of Healie on the direction of the series.
Cukie Gherkin (talk) 01:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- The current hook cannot be used as it is 210 characters long, and hooks should only be a maximum of 200 characters and ideally shorter than that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've reduced it down to 200. Is this acceptable? - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 16:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's borderline since it's at exactly 200 words, but it might be better for the main reviewer to decide. Given this is your second nomination, the reviewer will probably be lenient about the nomination being slightly late. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Valley Falls train collision
- ... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joel Ross (vibraphonist)
- Comment: Due to the recent controversy over "first" or "earliest" hooks, I have adopted the wording "one of the earliest".
Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC).
- Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given the circumstances of the nomination I'm pinging some of the commentors in the recent "first" hooks discussion such as @RoySmith, SL93, and Schwede66: for advice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't follow the last point. Both the link and the source I use in the article attribute the photograph to L. Wright. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says,
"Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush
. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew saysThe gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew
because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)- I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says,
- I don't follow the last point. Both the link and the source I use in the article attribute the photograph to L. Wright. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given the circumstances of the nomination I'm pinging some of the commentors in the recent "first" hooks discussion such as @RoySmith, SL93, and Schwede66: for advice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Bahuchar Mata Temple, Becharaji
- ... that the Bahuchar Mata Temple in Becharaji, India, is a key pilgrimage site where the transgender community worship the goddess Bahuchara Mata, who is revered as their patroness?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Submitting this due to pride month
Amadavadi (talk) 11:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Amadavadi A {{cn}} tag needs to be resolved in the Festival section, also a more academic source would be prefered for the hook (I'm unsure about the reliability of historified.in). Sohom (talk) 15:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Amadavadi has alleviated my concerns, however, I've made a few copy edits to the hook and would recuse from doing a full review. It would be nice to get a second review to approve the article. Sohom (talk) 20:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- The last paragraph doesn't match the source. I also have a question before I continue the review. Sohom Datta changed "hijra community" to "transgender community" with the edit summary "hijra can be perceived as derogatory". AirshipJungleman29 changed it back with the edit summary "why are we talking about the western concept of transgender?". I don't want the article to cause issues while on the main page because of something that can be perceived as derogatory, but I agree with Airship at the moment because the article is titled Hijra (South Asia). SL93 (talk) 10:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- The South Asian conception of hijra is related, but different, to the Western concept of transgender (hijra can refer to people who aren't transgender). While hijra has occasionally been termed derogatory (nowhere near as much as "gypsy" for the Romani people), it is the WP:COMMONNAME for the community and far more clear and precise than "transgender community". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- To my understanding, there are two seperate uses of the term hijra. Firstly it is used as a identity for a group of people, and is the WP:COMMONNAME for that particular community (as AirshipJungleman29 mentions). Secondly, for a large swaths of the Indian public, it is considered an insult and/or derogatory term that is levelled at men who are considered to be acting in a feminine manner. In this case, the term is being used in the former way (which is fine), but given the words other meaning, I have some reservations about it being misinterpreted and miscontextualized especially if it put on the main page as a hook. Sohom (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- They are not separate uses—for many, calling someone a hijra is insulting. Regardless, to use "transgender" is far more inappropriate. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm probably missing something wrt to why "transgender" which often colloquially used to denote the same community in India is more inappropriate than a word that is pretty regularly used as an insult. We could wordsmith further, but this discussion seems moot given that the nomination has been rejected. Sohom (talk) 05:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- They are not separate uses—for many, calling someone a hijra is insulting. Regardless, to use "transgender" is far more inappropriate. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- To my understanding, there are two seperate uses of the term hijra. Firstly it is used as a identity for a group of people, and is the WP:COMMONNAME for that particular community (as AirshipJungleman29 mentions). Secondly, for a large swaths of the Indian public, it is considered an insult and/or derogatory term that is levelled at men who are considered to be acting in a feminine manner. In this case, the term is being used in the former way (which is fine), but given the words other meaning, I have some reservations about it being misinterpreted and miscontextualized especially if it put on the main page as a hook. Sohom (talk) 17:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- The South Asian conception of hijra is related, but different, to the Western concept of transgender (hijra can refer to people who aren't transgender). While hijra has occasionally been termed derogatory (nowhere near as much as "gypsy" for the Romani people), it is the WP:COMMONNAME for the community and far more clear and precise than "transgender community". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am failing this. Where is the information coming from? Most of the sources I can check don't match the article. The first source matches, and I can't get the second source to translate using a tool. The hook's source says nothing about "a key pilgrimage site" or the word "patroness". SL93 (talk) 23:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 18[edit]
Articles created/expanded on June 19[edit]
2025 Philippine general election
- ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is the first regular election to elect the Bangsamoro Parliament?
- Source: Parungao, Adrian (9 February 2024) https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1902065/barmm-execs-2025-election-to-fortify-work-toward-true-autonomy
- Reviewed:
TheNuggeteer (talk) 06:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC).
- @TheNuggeteer: Not a review, but the hook is in the wrong tense (should at minimum be 'will be') and I fail to see how it meets WP:DYKINT.--Launchballer 18:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: In any case, article was removed from redirect June 9 and was only nominated ten days later, three days late from the prescribed period. This is not going anywhere. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to overrule this as @TheNuggeteer: is a new user (this is their second nomination) and WP:DYKNEW can be extended for a day or two upon request. (Don't do it again mind.)--Launchballer 07:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The QPQ tool says otherwise, but your funeral. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't use the QPQ tool, which is in alphabetical order anyway. I go through users' contribution histories.--Launchballer 08:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The QPQ tool says otherwise, but your funeral. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:35, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to overrule this as @TheNuggeteer: is a new user (this is their second nomination) and WP:DYKNEW can be extended for a day or two upon request. (Don't do it again mind.)--Launchballer 07:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheNuggeteer, Launchballer, and Nineteen Ninety-Four guy: Is this option better?
- ALT1 ... that the 2025 Philippine general election will be the first to be held under a new voting system provider after the previous one was disqualified over corruption allegations?
- Nothing else stands out that is unique to this particular election or seems to meet DYKINT, at least as of right now. I'll leave it to others if "previous one" should link to Smartmatic. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, this should be interesting enough sans the wikilink. Thanks, Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 20[edit]
Orca Shipwreck
- ... that the Orca Shipwreck, dating from the Late Bronze Age and recently discovered in the eastern Mediterranean, is the earliest deep-sea shipwreck ever found?
- ALT1: ... that the Orca Shipwreck, the earliest deep-sea shipwreck discovered was recently found near Israel? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedd0l1wk8qo
- Reviewed:
Owenglyndur (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC).
- According to DYK-check, "Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created". (I haven't checked for copy-right violations). Also, I would have liked to know why it is called the Orca Shipwreck? Huldra (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- This article was created 4 days ago and on the same day i nominated it for DYK. The reason for the name derives from the news articvle staitng it was found next to Israels' Orca gas field. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 21[edit]
Nicol Spence Galbraith
- ... that in May 1983 British public health physician Nicol Spence Galbraith voiced his concern over possible contaminated blood?
- Reviewed: Josephine Kenyon
Whispyhistory (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
Chand Sifarish
- ... that "Chand Sifarish" peaked at #1 on the popularity charts?
- Reviewed:
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
- The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have any information about those popularity charts. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the song "Chand Sifarish" was produced in the voice of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi, with the help of Artificial intelligence. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the hook is telling me what I think it's trying to tell me, then I would suggest words to the effect of ALT1a: ... that an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" became popular on social media? Also, what makes The Times of India reliable?--Launchballer 13:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the hook is telling me what I think it's trying to tell me, then I would suggest words to the effect of ALT1a: ... that an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" became popular on social media? Also, what makes The Times of India reliable?--Launchballer 13:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the song "Chand Sifarish" was produced in the voice of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi, with the help of Artificial intelligence. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have any information about those popularity charts. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
The hook belongs to Hindustan Times. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 22[edit]
Keegan Baker
- ... that an EastEnders storyline depicting Keegan Baker and Shakil Kazemi being stabbed was considered "one of the most important the show has ever embarked on" by executive consultant John Yorke?
- Source: Hughes, Johnathon (22 March 2018). "EastEnders to tackle knife crime in hard-hitting new storyline". Radio Times. Archived from the original on 2 July 2018. Retrieved 17 June 2024.
- ALT1: ... that the wedding between EastEnders characters Keegan Baker and Tiffany Butcher was confirmed after actors Zack Morris and Maisie Smith were seen filming it on-location? Source: Dainty, Sophie (24 September 2019). "EastEnders films a surprise wedding that nobody saw coming". Digital Spy. Archived from the original on 4 November 2021. Retrieved 21 June 2024.
- Reviewed:
FishLoveHam (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).
National Rally–The Republicans alliance crisis
- ... that following the 2024 European Parliament election, a political crisis broke out on the French right wing?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lookwide Camp
- Comment: A major event in French politics
Moondragon21 (talk) 01:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC).
DI MA-1 Mk. III
- ... that the DI MA-1 Mk. III rifle was made in Myanmar without license despite claims that it was made entirely in Myanmar?
- ALT1: ... that Chinese media criticized Myanmar for making the DI MA-1 Mk. III rifle without permission from China? Source: https://kienthuc.net.vn/quan-su/trum-dao-nhai-vu-khi-trung-quoc-to-cao-myanmar-sao-chep-sung-qbz-97-1452588.html (check specifically at https://kienthuc.net.vn/quan-su/trum-dao-nhai-vu-khi-trung-quoc-to-cao-myanmar-sao-chep-sung-qbz-97-1452588.html#p-5#p-5)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gmac Cash
- Comment: Not sure if the hook ideas are fine. Had to rely on mostly Chinese (and one Vietnamese) source.
Ominae (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 23[edit]
Oliver Golden
- ... that agronomist Oliver Golden remained in the Soviet Union after his delegation of cotton experts returned to the United States? Source: When the Soviet contract for the agronomists ended in 1934, most of Oliver’s group returned to the United States. Oliver and Bertha Golden, however, decided to remain and accept Soviet citizenship.
- ALT1: ... that Oliver Golden recruited a delegation of African-American cotton experts to the Soviet Union with the involvement of George Washington Carver? Source: Oliver enlisted the help of George Washington Carver to organize a team of African American agronomists who would travel to the Soviet Union. In 1931, Oliver left United States with fourteen other African American cotton specialists from various universities and his wife, Bertha Bialek.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WOOL (FM)
- Comment: I have been busy with school lately and will be soon, so I'm requesting a one-day extension.
ミラP@Miraclepine 02:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
Embassy of the Philippines, Amman
- ... that a diplomat at the Philippine Embassy in Amman was accused of running a sexual exploitation ring?
- Source: "Bello said at a news conference that two of the embassy personnel, whom he identified as officers of the Philippine Overseas Labor Office in the Jordanian capital Amman and in Kuwait, were involved in running sex rings in those two places that send Filipinas to service wealthy clients." – Philippine Daily Inquirer
Sky Harbor (talk) 08:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC).
Diesel (donkey)
- ... that after disappearing in 2019, Diesel is "living his best life" with a wild elk herd?
- ALT1: ... that after disappearing in 2019, a donkey is now "living his best life" with a wild elk herd?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bad Dürrenberg burial
gobonobo + c 02:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Article checks out for newness, length, and plagiarism; on the shorter side, but still long enough to be counted for DYK. Well written and well sourced. Hook is interesting and cited; I personally believe ALT1 to be the more interesting of the proposed hooks. QPQ done by editor. Overall checks out, however article is currently nominated for AfD, so until that process has been completed the review is on hold. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC) Sims2aholic8 (talk)
- Not a review, but the fact that Diesel is a suspect in a lion mountain homicide strikes me as even more interesting than the proposed hooks. Bremps... 22:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Adding an alt here:
- ALT2: ... that the escaped donkey Diesel is "living his best life" with a wild elk herd?
- @Bremps: I really like the "living his best life" quote. Maybe there's a way to incorporate both. Something like...that an escaped donkey "living his best life" may have killed a mountain lion? I'm reluctant to go with a "may have killed" hook though, since others have pointed out that the article is already pretty heavy on speculation. For what it's worth, this reference indicates that donkeys killing mountain lions is rare, but not unheard of. Maybe Sims2aholic8 has an opinion now that the article has survived AfD. gobonobo + c 01:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- User:Gobonobo I get it, I also like to cleanse my DYK hooks of speculation. If you're willing to stomach the "possibly", that's not a bad hook. Bremps... 02:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Goodboy Galaxy
- ... that Goodboy Galaxy was the first commercially released title for the Game Boy Advance in over 13 years?
- Source: Yin-Poole, Wesley (28 August 2021). ""First commercial GBA game in 13 years" smashes Kickstarter target in less than a day Goodboy, Galaxy". Euro Gamer. Retrieved 27 June 2024. / McFerran, Damien (27 August 2021). "The Game Boy Advance Is Getting Its First Commercial Release In 13 Years, Goodboy Galaxy". Nintendo Life. Retrieved 27 June 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics
- Comment: From the roster of recent AFC graduates; as promised on this article's talk page; on behalf of creator Oz346. (Stay tuned as I get another nomination of my own up and running.)
Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC).
- Note that this is under an AFD so any review may have to be deferred.
Lahug Airport
- ... that the Cebu IT Park was originally where Lahug Airport was?
- Source: [19]
- ALT1: ... that after former Philippine President Ramon Magsaysay's plane launched from Lahug Airport, he had a plane crash which ultimately ended his life? Source: [20]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Accessibility of transport in London
TheNuggeteer (talk) 05:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough: - After copyediting, it does not meet the 1,500-character threshold.
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - Needs better sources to back claims.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting: - Neither hook is particularly interesting to a broad audience. The papal mass at the airport sounds far more interesting.
QPQ: - Still needed.
Overall: Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce 01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: I reviewed a DYK nom for QPQ, and I fixed the longevity problem, for another alt, I suggest:
*ALT2 ... that the first papal mass in Cebu was held at Lahug Airport? Source: [21]
Anyway, can you tell me which sources aren't reliable? TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- "PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce 02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: I reviewed a DYK nom for QPQ, and I fixed the longevity problem, for another alt, I suggest:
Sam Salz (American football)
- ... that a wide receiver on the Texas A&M Aggies football team never played organized football?
- ALT1: ... that a wide receiver on the Texas A&M Aggies football team may never be able to play in a game because of his religious beliefs? Source: Sabbath runs from sun down on Friday to an hour past sundown on Saturday which means Sam can only compete in Saturday night games for the Aggies.
- ALT2: ... that football player Sam Salz wears the jersey number 39 and a Chabad "A&M” kippah under his football helmet? Source: donning a “Chabad A&M” kippah under his helmet while wearing the number “39” to symbolize the 39 tasks and items that are avoided during Sabbath, known in Hebrew as lamed tet melachot.
- ALT3: ... that by rule Sam Salz could not even try out for the Texas A&M Aggies football team but he is on the team? Source: the rule was that to try out for the team, it was required to play high school football on a varsity level which Salz didn’t do. So, he got creative. Getting on the team There was a field right next to the Aggies’ training facility, and Salz, an obser- vant Jew, went there every daytotrain,asidefromShab- bat. He worked on taking hand-offs, catching, and doing footwork.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cosmic Ray (film)
- Comment: There may be other hooks in there. I avoided the claim of first or only orthodox Jewish football player in NCAA Division I because of verifiability.
Bruxton (talk) 19:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC).
- This is only a preliminary review for now as the article needs a copyedit when it comes to wording and missing punctuation. However, the article does seem long enough and is adequately sourced and a QPQ has been done. My preferred hook is ALT1, but it doesn't exactly match the article or the source so it might fail at WT:DYK or ERRORS. ALT0 could probably be modified to say he never played organized football before signing up as the current wording might be too vague. ALT2 might need additional context especially for readers from countries where Judaism is not a common religion: my suggestion would be to propose a new hook that explains his 39 jersey and how it related to the Sabbath. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for checking out this nomination.. I did some copyediting but it is hard for me to find my own errors so I would appreciate you calling them out. For hook ideas I prefer that someone click the article to discover rather than getting in the weeds with specificity in the hook. For fifth and sixth hook ideas:
- ALT4: ... that a wide receiver on the Texas A&M Aggies football team wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath?
- ALT5: ... that American football player Sam Salz wears number 39 to remind him of "lamed tet melachot"?
- Bruxton (talk) 15:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4 sounds good to me. The article is improved but the wording still seems a bit weird (for example, "As a young boy Salz never watched college football because it is played on the Shabbat and he is an observant orthodox Jew." and "He was not invited to join the football team so he practiced by himself within sight of the football team and eventually earned a roster spot.") I don't have access to the NYT source; is 2003 mentioned in that article? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Excellent. You can archive a link to read text it by putting the url in archive.ph. Here is a link to the NYT article. I got 2003 from "Salz, 21, became obsessed with playing college football at a young age, for reasons he can’t exactly pinpoint." It is a 2024 article and 2024-21 is c. 2003. Regarding the two sentences, I do not see the weirdness to their structurel; if you do please edit them. Bruxton (talk) 23:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it's just me not being a native speaker but something feels off about the first sentence to me, but it could just be that it's correct to a native speaker but sounds weird to a non-native one. The second one could probably be rewritten to something like "As he was not invited to join the football team, he practiced by himself within sight of them. He eventually earned a roster spot." Maybe something like that? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I reordered the first sentence you called out and I used your language for the second sentence. Bruxton (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now that I think about it, ALT4a is quite long. Would it be okay if it got shortened to ALT4a ... that a Texas A&M Aggies football wide receiver wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath? "Football" could even be dropped if possible, but given American football's relatively niche popularity outside of North America, just "wide receiver" without context might not make much sense, hence the addition of "football" (or even "college football" if really needed). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I am ok with any change that helps advance this nomination. Bruxton (talk) 01:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cool. I'll think about hook options over the next few days but as long as the copyediting has been completed I can probably complete the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I am ok with any change that helps advance this nomination. Bruxton (talk) 01:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now that I think about it, ALT4a is quite long. Would it be okay if it got shortened to ALT4a ... that a Texas A&M Aggies football wide receiver wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath? "Football" could even be dropped if possible, but given American football's relatively niche popularity outside of North America, just "wide receiver" without context might not make much sense, hence the addition of "football" (or even "college football" if really needed). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I reordered the first sentence you called out and I used your language for the second sentence. Bruxton (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it's just me not being a native speaker but something feels off about the first sentence to me, but it could just be that it's correct to a native speaker but sounds weird to a non-native one. The second one could probably be rewritten to something like "As he was not invited to join the football team, he practiced by himself within sight of them. He eventually earned a roster spot." Maybe something like that? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Excellent. You can archive a link to read text it by putting the url in archive.ph. Here is a link to the NYT article. I got 2003 from "Salz, 21, became obsessed with playing college football at a young age, for reasons he can’t exactly pinpoint." It is a 2024 article and 2024-21 is c. 2003. Regarding the two sentences, I do not see the weirdness to their structurel; if you do please edit them. Bruxton (talk) 23:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4 sounds good to me. The article is improved but the wording still seems a bit weird (for example, "As a young boy Salz never watched college football because it is played on the Shabbat and he is an observant orthodox Jew." and "He was not invited to join the football team so he practiced by himself within sight of the football team and eventually earned a roster spot.") I don't have access to the NYT source; is 2003 mentioned in that article? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Joseph Petzoldt
- ... that Albert Einstein in 1914 wrote to Joseph Petzoldt that he long shared his convictions, after reading one of his philosophical books?
- Reviewed:
D.H (talk) 15:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 24[edit]
Dus Bahane
- ... that the 2005 song "Dus Bahane" wasn't supposed to be shot, but the director Anubhav Sinha insisted Abhishek Bachchan and Zayed Khan?
- Reviewed:
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
- @KunalAggarwal95: Not a review, but the hook is nonsensical, and the Times of India is yellow on WP:RSP.--Launchballer 16:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a deprecated source. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer 22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- as no other sources provide information. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- as no other sources provide information. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer 22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a deprecated source. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2004
- ... that Lisa Andreas, who represented Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2004, was the youngest contest entrant that year at 16 years old?
- Source: "Lisa Andreas, 16 [...] was the contest's youngest competitor."BBC News
Grk1011 (talk) 13:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC).
Department of State v. Muñoz
- ... that the U.S. Supreme Court held in Department of State v. Muñoz (2024) that a U.S. citizen "does not have a fundamental liberty interest in her noncitizen spouse being admitted to the country"?
- Source: Slip opinion L.A. Times Washington Post
- ALT1: ... that the U.S. Supreme Court recently decided that the fundamental right to marriage does not give a U.S. citizen a fundamental right to bring her non-citizen spouse to the United States? Source: Bloomberg Law
- ALT2: ...that the U.S. Supreme Court case of Department of State v. Muñoz (2024) decided that the fundamental right to marry does not give a U.S. citizen a right to challenge her spouse's visa denial? Source: Bloomberg Law
- Reviewed:
SilverLocust 💬 15:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC) (edited 11:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)).
Matahi Brightwell
- ... that Matahi Brightwell (pictured) introduced the waka ama (outrigger canoe racing) sport to New Zealand?
- Source: [22] "Mr Brightwell was made an Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit for starting waka ama in Aotearoa, a sport he picked up – along with his name and his wife Raipoia – while he was building the ocean-going waka Hawaikinui in Tahiti."
- ALT1: ... that Matahi Brightwell (pictured) left the eyes of Ngātoro-i-rangi blank? Source: [23] "When Mr Brightwell created Ngatoroirangi, he was so upset by the negativity that he left the sculpture's eyes blank."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sofiya Vakman
- Comment: Welcome any suggestions for alternative hooks or improvements to the hook or article. There's also a free picture of the Ngātoro-i-rangi sculpture (currently in the article) that could be used as an alternative to the picture of Brightwell, although I'm not sure it'll show up well at 100x100.
Chocmilk03 (talk) 02:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC).
Henrik Igityan National Centre for Aesthetics
- ... that the world's first childrens' art museum has 150,000 artworks by children in its collection? Source: no. of artworks=https://armeniadiscovery.com/en/articles/national-center-of-aesthetics & 'world's first'=https://www.thecaucasustours.com/childrens-art-gallery/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jenny Hurn
- Comment:
Lajmmoore (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Lajmmoore: Love this! New enough, long enough, Earwig comes up clean, no image, QPQ has been done, and hook is damn interesting. Unfortunately, visityerevan.am, farusa.org, hamazkayin.com, armeniadiscovery.com, thecaucasustours.com, and evnmediafest.com are not reliable sources. Once those are replaced or removed, I can go ahead and pass this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps... 10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, yes, there is an image! I'm also not convinced the licensing checks out. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- comment RE: image - the file name states the painting was done by Ruben Igityan, who was the son of Henrik Igityan. He died in a plane crash in 1975 with his mother. Henrik would therefore inherit the rights? I assumed that since Henrik is still involved with the NCA, and the image was donated as part of a partnership, that the licensing was OK. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, yes, there is an image! I'm also not convinced the licensing checks out. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps... 10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT1... that the Yerevan Children's Art Gallery was shows "the unexpected beauty of children’s art"? Source: https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000063186
- Forgot to sign and ping people yesterday (blame my tired eyes), but I think the article is now improved @Theleekycauldron: & @Bremps:, thanks for your input! Lajmmoore (talk) 13:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Zhou Xuan (Three Kingdoms)
- ... that Zhou Xuan's dream interpretations were recorded to be accurate eight or nine times out of ten?
- Source: Records of the Three Kingdoms vol. 29, translated in Robert Ford Campany, The Chinese Dreamscape, pp. 109-111
- Reviewed:
Kzyx (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC).
Hercules (1973 ship)
- ... that on 20 July 1982 the neutral oil tanker Hercules was scuttled after being struck by an Argentine bomb during the Falklands War?
- Source: "June 8 .... that afternoon Hercules was attacked without warning in three different strikes by Argentine aircraft using bombs and air-to-surface missiles" from: Sohn, Louis B.; Noyes, John (25 October 2021). Cases and Materials on the Law of the Sea. BRILL. p. 82. ISBN 978-90-04-48042-1. and "20 July: The VLCC Hercules has her seacocks opened ... it had been decided that the unexploded bomb aboard was too dangerous to defuse and thus sinking was the only alternative" from:Ambrose, A. J. (1983). Jane's Merchant Shipping Review. Jane's Publishing Company. p. 17. ISBN 978-0-7106-0261-9.
- ALT1: ... that the neutral Liberian oil tanker Hercules was attacked three times by Argentine aircraft during the Falklands War and eventually scuttled? Source: As above
- ALT2: ... that the neutral oil tanker Hercules carried an unexploded bomb into a Brazilian port after being attacked by Argentine aircraft during the Falklands War? Source: As above
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/War Tank America
- Comment: ALT0 if it can be run on 20th July, others if not.
Dumelow (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC).
Oriana Skylar Mastro
- ... that political scientist Oriana Skylar Mastro enlisted in the US military in 2004 following advice from deputy commander of then U.S. Pacific Command, despite having planned to pursue an academic career? Source: https://news.stanford.edu/2021/11/11/combining-military-service-scholarship/
- Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status W9793 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Oriana Skylar Mastro 2; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Articles created/expanded on June 25[edit]
Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics
- ... that for the 1936 Summer Olympics, Liechtenstein flipped their flag upside down?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Yep, it's that fact.
Arconning (talk) 17:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC).
- The original hook has MOS:EGG issues. Here's one possibility. Feel free to change it or suggest others. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0a ... that at the 1936 Summer Olympics, Liechtenstein changed their official flag after seeing Haiti's flag, discovering they were similar?
- I also thought this. Alternative one proposed seems more appropriate. TheBritinator (talk) 00:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that for the 1936 Summer Olympics, Liechtenstein flipped their flag upside down?
- [24] I think this fact would be far enough from the already posted fact for Haiti. Arconning (talk) 04:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Note that this fact has already featured at DYK (see Template:Did you know nominations/Haiti at the 1936 Summer Olympics). Kingsif (talk) 22:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given this may lead to a "rerun" per Kingsif, I'm pretty doubtful of its chances. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 05:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Slgrandson: I made ALT2 before your comment which would be a different hook. I just have no clue how to replace it as the main one lol. Arconning (talk) 06:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- This probably isn't the right symbol as nobody appears to have started a proper review as yet. All there is above is a discussion about hooks that may or may not work. Schwede66 03:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Valence populism
- ... that valence populism cannot be positioned on the left–right political spectrum?
- Source: Zulianello, Mattia; Larsen, Erik Gahner (27 February 2023). "Blurred positions: The ideological ambiguity of valence populist parties". Party Politics. 30 (1): 190. doi:10.1177/13540688231161205. ISSN 1354-0688.
Vacant0 (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC).
Empire of Death (Doctor Who episode)
- ... that Russell T Davies came up with the premise of the Doctor Who episode "Empire of Death" up to 50 years before he wrote it?
- ALT1: ... that the twist of the Doctor Who episode "Empire of Death" was inspired by the Star Wars sequels? Source: https://screenrant.com/doctor-who-season-14-ending-ruby-sunday-parentage-rey-star-wars-comparison-explained-showrunner/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/A9 dualling project
Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC).
- Article is neutral, free from copyvio, suitably referenced, and meets the length and newness criteria—moved to mainspace on 23 June, within seven days of this nomination. The hooks are succinct, neutral, interesting, and reliably sourced; I've changed "fifty years" to "up to 50 years" for clarity and concision. QPQ is done (though your reviews should be a bit more detailed). This is good to go! – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:27, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 26[edit]
Joni (song)
- ... that a scrapped song from SZA's second album was supposed to be on her next one, but when the song was leaked she had to scrap it again?
- Source: * "'Joni' is on it. Well, they leaked it, so I wasn't gonna put it on there. I guess I should still… but they leaked it already." (Variety); "'So we'll make this really simple. Y'all leaked 3 songs from the deluxe. Atp y'all can keep the throw aways and leaks,' she tweeted, as reported by Variety. 'I'll be starting LANA from scratch do not ask me about it again.'" (Complex)
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Clarifying that it was scrapped from the third album; latest updates from SZA suggest "Joni" might be on the second album's deluxe. Open to any suggestions.
PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 00:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC).
Hannibal von Degenfeld
- ... that Hannibal von Degenfeld (pictured) played the leading role in establishing the Bavarian Army in 1682, before leading it to the Battle of Vienna a year later?
- Source: Staudinger 1904, p. 575: "der Begründer des jungen Heeres Freiherr von Degenfeld" and Wheatcroft 2009, p. 168: "...all the main players planned the decisive battle that would settle the fate of Vienna. The duke represented the Habsburg forces and the Emperor; General Hannibal von Degenfeld took the place of his master, Max Emmanuel, the Elector of Bavaria."
- ALT1: ... that in a military career spanning 25 years, Hannibal von Degenfeld (pictured) served Venice, the Dutch Republic, Denmark–Norway, and Bavaria as a commander? Source: summary of the article
- Reviewed: Eurovision Song Contest 1989
Constantine ✍ 16:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC).
Not in Love (Crystal Castles song)
- ... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: review TBD
Skyshiftertalk 22:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- Man, I haven't heard this record in years. @Skyshifter: Not a review, but I would question whether this deserves a standalone article when the content could be merged into Not in Love (Platinum Blonde song). This would not affect eligibility here because it can run as a 5x expansion.--Launchballer 18:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk 18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Brandiose
- ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas led to the team selling $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
- Reviewed:
Kimikel (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- I think I'll review this, but I'll have to request a second opinion as this will be my first DYK review. GoldRomean (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - The source provided says that the $4 million in sales is based on the team name, not Brandiose's design.
- Interesting:
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Overall: My first DYK review and I'm not sure about the hook, so requesting another reviewer. Thank you. GoldRomean (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
- @GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
- @Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
- @Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
- ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
- Kimikel (talk) 00:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Luxembourg in the Eurovision Song Contest
- ... that Tali (pictured) was the first artist to represent Luxembourg in the Eurovision Song Contest in thirty-one years when she participated in the 2024 contest?
- ALT1: ... that only three songs which have represented Luxembourg in the Eurovision Song Contest have been performed in the country's national language? Source: [27][28]
- ALT2: ... that although Luxembourg has won the Eurovision Song Contest five times, none of the winning artists representing the country have been native Luxembourgers? Source: [29]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres
Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
Ling Nam
- ... that the founder, Tomas Fung, founded the restaurant Ling Nam with only 3,000 Philippine pesos?
- Source: Ravenholt 1968, p. 38, [30]
- Reviewed:
TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 27[edit]
Strobilanthes tonkinensis
- ... that leaves of Strobilanthes tonkinensis taste like glutinous rice?
- Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9222377/ "STL has a unique aroma of glutinous rice when dried..."
- ALT1: ... that dried leaves of Strobilanthes tonkinensis give some teas a glutinous rice flavor without using rice? Source: https://www.teasenz.com/chinese-tea/what-is-sticky-rice-pu-erh-tea-nuo-mi-xiang-cha.html "Is there any real sticky rice added to the tea? Nope, it’s because of one secret ingredient: a local herb from Yunnan called “Nuo Mi Xiang” or “Semnostachya Menglaensis”"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fume hood
awkwafaba (📥) 15:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC).
- Starting Review--Kevmin § 18:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 28[edit]
Ken Goldin
- ... that Ken Goldin has sold over US$2 billion in collectibles?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I'm a few days tardy with the nom because I forgot, but it got to size in the time period.
– Muboshgu (talk) 01:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Jab Se Tere Naina
- ... that Ranbir Kapoor gave close to 100 takes for the 2007 Hindi-language song "Jab Se Tere Naina"?
- Reviewed:
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
Sizzle Ohtaka
- ... that Sizzle Ohtaka, known as the "Queen of Commercial Songs", was producing them at a rate of ten per month? Source: 月平均10曲のペースでCMソングを吹き込むようになる。 ... "コマソンの女王"のどワザ師”と呼ばれるまでに。/She began recording an average rate of ten commercial songs per month ... She became known as the "Queen of Commercial Songs" and the "Voice Master."
- ALT1: ... that Sizzle Ohtaka was known as the "Queen of Commercial Songs"? Source: "コマソンの女王“のどワザ師"と呼ばれるまでに。/She became known as the "Queen of Commercial Songs" and the "Voice Master."
- ALT2: ... that Sizzle Ohtaka wanted to be a manga artist before becoming a singer? Source: 一時は漫画家を志望したが、大学時代に歌手を志す。/At one point she aspired to be a manga artist, but during her university years she decided she wanted to be a singer.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Luna (Feid and ATL Jacob song)
ミラP@Miraclepine 18:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC).
List of people who use their middle names as their first names
- ... that brothers Mike McCartney and Paul McCartney, and sisters Dakota Fanning and Elle Fanning, use their middle names as their first names?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: All four articles have free images, if one is used, I prefer Paul McCartney since it is a FA
Isaidnoway (talk) 10:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Isaidnoway: Inspired by last month's most viewed hook, might I suggest: ALT1: ... what the UK prime ministers Gordon Brown, James Callaghan, Neville Chamberlain, Anthony Eden, Boris Johnson, Bonar Law, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Macmillan, Liz Truss, and Harold Wilson have in common? (it's 200 characters, so no room for 'all').--Launchballer 15:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's my understanding that this is Did you know that ... per WP:DYK. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess. They must have missed that at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 200#"First" hooks when they proposed that hook. Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's my understanding that this is Did you know that ... per WP:DYK. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Diamond Lake, Illinois
- ... that future American presidential candidate George McGovern was a student pastor at a church in Diamond Lake, Illinois?
- Source: https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/george-mcgovern-recalled-as-a-pastor/article_b9eb3000-e9c6-5d4f-98e5-fec1d1156655.html
"As a student pastor at Diamond Lake Community Methodist Church for parts of 1946 and 1947, McGovern early on demonstrated a knack for engaging and connecting with others"
"But it was World War II that interrupted his studies at Dakota Wesleyan University and led him to Diamond Lake."
https://newspapers.com/article/the-camden-news-mcgovern/150433994/ (syndicated Associated Press)
"The breakfast was held in a church whose pastor, John S. Jury, had been a student minister at a Methodist church in Diamond Lake, Ill., a year or so before McGovern became a student pastor there while studying for the ministry as a young man" - ALT1 ... that Jack Benny, Glenn Miller, and Lawrence Welk all performed at a dance pavilion in Diamond Lake, Illinois?
- Source: Mundelein, Arcadia Publishing, pp. 94: "The Ray Brothers hosted numerous stars of the day as guests, including Jack Benny playing at the pavilion, as did Glenn Miller and Lawrence Welk."
(The full quote on page 94 of the book clarifies that the dance pavilion is in Diamond Lake)
- Source: Mundelein, Arcadia Publishing, pp. 94: "The Ray Brothers hosted numerous stars of the day as guests, including Jack Benny playing at the pavilion, as did Glenn Miller and Lawrence Welk."
- ALT2: ... that a bar in Diamond Lake, Illinois, was described by the Daily Herald as "the dart the headquarters for the Windy City and Northern Illinois dart leagues" in 2008?
- Source: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/26987615/ "They introduced darts, real ones, to the Irish Mill, which later became the dart headquarters for the Windy City and Northern Illinois dart leagues."
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my first one. A bit nervous and I'm hoping I'm doing everything correctly. Some of the sources come from my work in Mundelein, Illinois (especially the education one), but not including it still makes the prose large enough :)
- Source: https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/george-mcgovern-recalled-as-a-pastor/article_b9eb3000-e9c6-5d4f-98e5-fec1d1156655.html
SeymourHolcomb (talk) 19:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
Horton Davies
- ... that ten years after publishing a book about Great South African Christians, Horton Davies (pictured) gave a speech criticizing South African churches for their role in Apartheid? Source:
Great South African Christians, Oxford University Press, 1951
(verifying the book was published in 1951), in "Horton (Marlais) Davies", in Gale Literature: Contemporary Authors (September 28, 2005);Speaking on "The Church in South Africa: a Warning."
andClearly the churches and the synagogues must take some responsibility for the situation as they are the guardian of the nation's conscience," he said
("he" being Horton Davies, verifying his criticism of South African churches in 1961) "Church Role in S. Africa Outlined", The Morning Call, May 11, 1961, p. 10- ALT1: ... that during World War II, Horton Davies (pictured) was minister to a church in "Flying Bomb Alley", a part of London nicknamed for the many bombs dropped on it? Source:
During the war Professor Davies underwent what he calls his "baptism of fire" while a minister in the section of London called "Flying Bomb Alley" because it received a record number of bombs per square mile
, in "The Clergy in Fiction", Oklahoma City Star, October 30, 1959, p. 6. - ALT2: ... that Horton Davies (pictured) earned a bachelor's degree after earning a master's degree? Source:
Education: University of Edinburgh, M.A., 1937, B.D., 1940
, in "Horton (Marlais) Davies", in Gale Literature: Contemporary Authors (September 28, 2005) - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Adnan_al-Bursh
- Comment: For clarity on ALT2, Davies probably also earned a different Bachelor's degree (a BA in English, as he's described in a source written by his wife, which I did not cite in the article as being too close to the subject, as having been an English major) before his MA; his BD, or Bachelor in Divinity, though, was earned after his MA, according to Gale Literature.
- ALT1: ... that during World War II, Horton Davies (pictured) was minister to a church in "Flying Bomb Alley", a part of London nicknamed for the many bombs dropped on it? Source:
Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 03:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 29[edit]
Doris Ilda Allen
- ... that "Lucki" Allen's (pictured) prediction of the Tet Offensive was ignored but she is now in the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Quintus et Ultimus Watson
- Comment: I may do more but this should do to start with.
Andrew🐉(talk) 16:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
Papua New Guinean art
- ... that the National Gallery of Australia transferred 225 Papua New Guinean art pieces and artifacts, including masks and sculptures, to a museum in Papua New Guinea in 2020?
- Reviewed:
Kimikel (talk) 15:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC).
Sun Zhiyang
- ... that prior to being appointed as mayor of Guangzhou, Sun Zhiyang worked as a senior engineer and deputy general manager of the Chinese state-owned automobile manufacturer FAW Group?
- ALT1: ... that at the age of 47, Sun Zhiyang is the youngest person to be appointed as the vice governor of Guangdong Province? Source: 47岁孙志洋 赴任广东省
- ALT2: ... that during his tenure as vice governor of Guangdong, Sun Zhiyang oversaw the development of Guangdong's automobile industrial chain, due to his prior experience working in the automobile industry? Source: Guangzhou remains at the forefront of the nascent autonomous car industry
- ALT2a: ... that during his tenure as vice governor of Guangdong, Sun Zhiyang oversaw the development of Guangdong's automobile industrial chain, due to his prior experience working in that sector? Source: Guangzhou remains at the forefront of the nascent autonomous car industry
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/National Coordination Committee Against Corruption and Crime
Toadboy123 (talk) 13:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 30[edit]
Zhang Ziyu
- ... that 17-year-old women's basketball player Zhang Ziyu is 7 ft 3 in (2.21 m) tall?
- Source: many sources, e.g. Time
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2000 Cambodian coup d'état attempt
- Comment: My 200th DYK nomination, it seems. Open to other ways of wording the hook.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- It looks like there are other heights listed in the article. The Sports Illustrated article reports 7 ft 5 for example in its title (although technically slightly under that in the article itself). I would think if we were to feature a height hook with specific measurements we would need to address the discrepancies between sources in some fashion. The article should do that too. As it is, I don't think we can run this hook as is because of the differing measurements between sources. Otherwise the article is new enough, long enough, and within policy.4meter4 (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: Would saying "is at least 7 ft 3 in (2.21 m) tall" work? Everything on her seems to have that height or more (as with SI). BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Liza 'N' Eliaz
- ... that Belgian, hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz (pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
Lajmmoore (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment I also cropped the image file, in case a more focussed shot might be better Lajmmoore (talk) 13:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Anna Smith Spark
- ... that author Anna Smith Spark is also called the "Queen of Grimdark"?
- Source: Mauro, John (7 March 2024). "ANNA SMITH SPARK: WHERE TO START READING". Grimdark Magazine. Retrieved 1 July 2024.
Corr, Sinead (6 March 2023). "Anna Smith Spark: Fourth novel A Woman of the Sword is new direction for Bishop's Stortford's Queen of Grimdark after The Court of Broken Knives, The Tower of Living and Dying and The House of Sacrifice". Bishop Stortford Independant. Retrieved 30 June 2024.
ResonantDistortion 16:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment Upon second review I consider ALT0a to read a little better. It remains consistent with the sourcing, though I welcome further feedback. ResonantDistortion 21:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0a: ... that author Anna Smith Spark is also known as the "Queen of Grimdark"?
Stefano Manetti
- ... that Stefano Manetti (pictured) was co-consecrated a bishop by the same man who ordained him a priest 30 years earlier?
Ergo Sum 15:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Can we say "co-consecrated" instead of "consecrated" in the hook to reflect the citation more accurately? Sohom (talk) 03:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
First Bishops' War
- ... that despite plans for multiple concentric invasions, the only fighting during the First Bishops' War was in north-east Scotland?
- Source: Brooks 2005: "The only fighting was in northeast Scotland" and Kenyon & Ohlmeyer 1998a: "Between his allies inside Scotland and the concentric blows from outside the country, the king felt confident of victory."
- ALT1: ... that during the First Bishops' War Hamilton's mother was armed with silver bullets created to shoot him if he landed in Scotland? Source: His humiliation was completed by his mother, Anna Cunningham, who arrived at Leith at the head of her own troop of horse, brandishing pistols loaded with specially made silver bullets that she intended to use on her son, should he step onto Scottish soil
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Praetorium of Constantinople
- Comment: These facts seemed unusual to me, but would be interested to hear others opinions.
CSJJ104 (talk) 21:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC).
Francis Procter, A History of the Book of Common Prayer
- ... that "the old man was startled and a little shocked" when he was shown Walter Frere's revision of his book?
- Source: Jenkins, Claude (January 1955). "[Untitled]". The English Historical Review. 70 (274): 157. JSTOR 556939.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lewis Worthington Smith, Template:Did you know nominations/Red (Taylor's Version)
- Comment:
QPQ to come
Pbritti (talk) 17:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC).
The Chinese in America
- ... that the book The Chinese in America said that in the gold rush era, numerous people in California sent their laundry to Hong Kong for cleaning?
- Source: "A ragged tale of riches; Chinese immigration". The Economist. Vol. 367, no. 8329. 2003-06-21. p. 76US. Archived from the original on 2024-06-30. Retrieved 2024-06-30 – via Gale.
The article notes: "Ms Chang does not delve into the Pacific ties that might have made such a man. She does say that, during the gold rush, many Californians shipped their laundry to be cleaned in Hong Kong, at $1 a shirt. If this is true--and it is a staggering proposition, given that the Pacific Mail Steamship Company made just a dozen sailings a year, taking 33 days--then the subject deserves a chapter, not just the briefest of mentions."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WIAT
Cunard (talk) 11:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC).
- not a full review, but the source quoted is doubting the hook fact's accuracy. Could you offer an alternative hook? Rjjiii (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC) Forgot to ping Cunard, 05:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Rjjiii (talk · contribs), I think the hook is fine. Although the source questions the accuracy of the statement, the source verifies that the book makes this statement. Here are sources that verify that people in California during the gold rush era sent their laundry to Hong Kong:
- Goethe, Charles Matthias (1949). What's in a Name?: (Tales, Historical Or Fictitious, about 111 California Gold Belt Place Names). p. 44. OCLC 606542. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
This is not a reliable source as the author is a eugenicist. But I am including it here as it's the earliest source I can find that mentions that California gold miners shipped their laundry to Hong Kong. The book notes: "Apparently eggs from Hong Kong, Canton then were being shipped here with California miners' returned laundry."
- Mau, Edward Seu Chen (1989). The Mau Lineage. Honolulu: Hawaii Chinese History Center. University of Hawaii Press. p. 170. ISBN 0-8248-1114-3. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Internet Archive.
The book notes: "When the Gold Rush started, some of the San Franciscans sent their laundry to Honolulu and even to Hong Kong by sailing vessel because there was no one around to do it. By sailing vessel, it required about forty days for a round trip to Honolulu and about sixty days to Hong Kong."
- Rubin, Susan Goldman (1998). Toilets, Toasters and Telephones: The How and Why of Everday Objects. San Diego, California: Browndeer Press. Harcourt Brace & Company. p. 56. ISBN 0-15-201421-7. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Internet Archive.
The book notes: "Rich gold miners who didn't have a laundry nearby sent their shirts out to be washed, starched, and ironed-in Hong Kong, China! It cost as much as a dollar a shirt and took two to four months for the shirts to make the round-trip."
- Williams, Dave (2000). Misreading the Chinese Character: Images of the Chinese in Euroamerican Drama to 1925. New York: Peter Lang. p. 82. ISBN 978-0-8204-4559-5. Retrieved 2024-07-03.
The book notes: "In the early days of the Gold Rush, Euroamerican men shipped their soiled laundry to Hong Kong or Honolulu for cleaning, and received it again after two or three months."
- Tchen, John Kuo Wei (1984). Genthe's Photographs of San Francisco's Old Chinatown. New York: Courier Corporation. ISBN 978-0-486-14069-8. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "As the San Francisco economy boomed with hopeful gold seekers, the city experienced continual labor shortages throughout the 1850s and 1860s. It was cheaper for male miners who refused to wash their own clothes, for example, either to send their dirty laundry on a clipper ship to Hong Kong or Honolulu to be washed or to simply throw it away, than to pay the rates to have their clothes done locally."
- Yee, Nick (2014). The Proteus Paradox: How Online Games and Virtual Worlds Change Us—And How They Don't. New Haven, Connecticut: Yale University Press. p. 90. ISBN 978-0-300-19099-1. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "I am describing the mid-nineteenth-century genesis of Chinese laundry shops (yi-shan-guan in Chinese) during and after the California Gold Rush. Due to the perception of laundry as women's work and the scarcity of women in California during the Gold Rush era, the local cost for doing laundry was exorbitant. Miners, both white and Chinese, routinely shipped their laundry to Honolulu and even Hong Kong for cleaning and pressing. Even then, the price was high and the process took four months. As Iris Chang describes in The Chinese in America, Chinese entrepreneurs took advantage of this economic opportunity and created local laundry shops."
- Ling, Huping; Austin, Allan, eds. (2015) [2010]. "Laundries, Chinese". Asian American History and Culture: An Encyclopedia: An Encyclopedia. Abingdon, Oxon: Routledge. ISBN 978-0-7656-8077-8. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "The perception by most whites that washing was work demeaning to men, together with the absence of women on the Western frontier, made laundry a service in demand. Before the arrival of the Chinese, and with California labor in short supply and hence expensive, dirty laundry was routed to Hong Kong to be washed for $12 a dozen items, and then later to Hawaii for $8 a dozen. But Chinese entrepreneurs in San Francisco saw the potential profits in doing the washing themselves on the West Coast, and prices dropped to $5 a dozen as shipping and handling costs decreased. Soon, local laundries replaced the overseas ones."
- Kuo, John; Tchen, Wei, eds. (1987). "Origin of the Chinese Laundry". The Chinese Laundryman: A Study of Social Isolation. New York: New York University Press. pp. 46–47. ISBN 0-8147-7859-3. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
This source predates the 2003 book Chinese in America and discusses how laundry was shipped from San Francisco to Hawaii which cost $8 and took six to eight weeks.
The book notes: "But it cost money for the San Franciscans to achieve such stylishness and respectability, for the laundry bills were terrific. In order to have their linen washed, starched and ironed to the right degree of whiteness and rigidity cost them eight dollars per dozen, sometimes even more. The men didn't mind paying from three to five dollars for an order of ham and eggs or a steak, but eight dollars just to scrub and iron some pieces of shirt was an excessive price. So there were grumblings aplenty. And not only that, there was also the annoyance of waiting from six to eight weeks for one's laundry to come back each time one sent it off, for mostly they were shipped to the Hawaiian Islands to be washed. And then the shirts might return with buttons missing or collars separated."
- Strange USA: Historical Oddities, Roadside Rarities, Unique Eats, and Amazing Americans. San Diego, California: Portable Press. 2023. ISBN 978-1-6672-0115-3. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "3: Number of months it took prospectors to get their clean clothes back before Wah Lee opened San Francisco's first Chinese laundry in 1851. Prior to that, there were so few laundries that miners sent dirty clothes by ship to Hong Kong, where they were cleaned, pressed, and then shipped back."
- Blackburn, Sarah-SoonLing (2024). Exclusion and the Chinese American Story. New York: Random House Children's Books. p. 59–60. ISBN 978-0-593-56763-0. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "By the mid-1800s, some people, mostly white, had managed to get rich in the Gold Rush. ... They often thought of laundry as a "woman's job," and therefore, beneath them. Without many other options, it became pretty common for people to ship their laundry all the way to Hong Kong to be cleaned. This took nearly four months and cost about twelve dollars for a dozen shirts, which is equal to about four hundred dollars today. Still, this was way cheaper than the alternative, to send the clothes back to the East Coast of the United States to be cleaned. Remember, the Transcontinental Rail- road wasn't finished yet, so the laundry would have had to go by boat all the way around the continent or over land on a wagon. Hong Kong was the best option for people with the money to spend on laundry, and so the shipment of clothing back and forth across the Pacific Ocean became another link between the coasts of the United States and China, another lane on the highway connecting Chinese Americans between their two lands. In the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and closer to San Francisco than to Hong Kong, you will find the islands of Hawai'i. By the mid-1800s, Hawai'i had become a stopover for people and goods as they went back and forth between China and the West Coast of the continental United States. The rich people who had been shipping their laundry to Hong Kong now had a closer, more affordable option. Instead of spending twelve dollars to have a dozen shirts washed in Hong Kong, they could spend eight dollars to have a dozen shirts washed in Honolulu."
- Burman, Edward (2008). China: The Stealth Empire: Why the World is Not Chinese Yet. Stroud, Gloucestershire: The History Press. ISBN 978-0-7524-9619-1. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "As the gold fever cooled, there was a shift in Chinese business patterns, first from mining to laundries, and then to railway construction. The second was the result of quintessentially Chinese entrepreneurship. The Chinese noticed that people in California were prepared to pay for laundry services, which involved shipping to the East Coast, Honolulu and even Hong Kong, which were all both costly and took time. It was obviously beneficial for customers to pay $5 for a dozen shirts rather than $12, and to receive the shirts in a few days rather than up to four months."
- McKeown, Adam (2014). "Movement". In Armitage, David; Bashford, Alison (eds.). Pacific Histories: Ocean, Land, People. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. p. 154. ISBN 978-1-137-00163-4. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "A similar story unfolded on the Pacific coast of the Americas. North American trade with Asia and Australia grew rapidly in the 1860s and 1870s, but failed to live up to that potential in subsequent years. In the first years of the gold rush, prices for goods and labour in California were so high that laundry was famously sent from San Francisco to Hong Kong to be washed. By the end of the 1850s, California had begun shipping wheat, quicksilver, hides, lumber, oats, beans, potatoes and wool across the Pacific to Asia and the Australian"
- Goldstone, Lawrence (2020). On Account of Race: The Supreme Court, White Supremacy, and the Ravaging of African American Voting Rights. Berkeley, California: Counterpoint. p. 133. ISBN 978-1-64009-576-2. Retrieved 2024-07-03 – via Google Books.
The book notes: "Most of the men who arrived in California to hunt for gold came alone. Mining was dirty, dusty work, but washing grimy, mud-caked clothes was considered a "woman's job." Some of the more successful single men shipped dirty clothes to Hong Kong and waited months for their return. For the rest, since local Spanish and Native American women charged too high a price, Chinese men filled the void. Within a few years, the Chinese came to dominate the laundry business in San Francisco."
Cunard (talk) 09:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. You're right. Rather than doing a review, I'd like to offer an alternative hook. Since multiple university press sources state it as a fact, could we run a hook that also presents it as a historical fact? Like this:
- ALT1: ... that The Chinese in America documents how California gold rush prospectors mailed their laundry to Hong Kong for cleaning? "While Chang's book might first appear basic in its history lessons, even the most knowledgeable Asian-American scholar will likely find little-known facts and challenging theories within. Chang tells how gold-rush miners - both Chinese and Caucasian - sent their laundry to Hong Kong for lack of local services, hence opening up a business opportunity for entrepreneurial Chinese to take over the "women's work" that Caucasians would not do. (Hong (2003) CSM.)"
- Cited to The Christian Science Monitor in the article. @Cunard: if you're not feeling that, let me know, and I'll strike my suggestion. If you have an improvement, let me know, and I'll review it. Rjjiii (talk) 13:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rjjiii (talk · contribs), ALT1 is much better than the original hook. Thank you so much for suggesting it! Cunard (talk) 07:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Since I suggested it, another editor will have to do the proper review. And thanks for your patience with my initial confusion, Rjjiii (talk) 08:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rjjiii (talk · contribs), ALT1 is much better than the original hook. Thank you so much for suggesting it! Cunard (talk) 07:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Current nominations[edit]
Articles created/expanded on July 1[edit]
Tulbaghia acutiloba
- ... that on top of being used as a culinary herb, Tulbaghia acutiloba (pictured) has been used in treating infectious diseases and hypertension?
- Source: "Tulbaghia acutiloba (TA) is traditionally used in Southern Africa for the management of various ailments, including hypertension, as well as infectious diseases (Aremu and Van Staden, 2013). It is also used as a culinary herb in the Eastern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal of South Africa (Aremu and Van Staden, 2013)." Arhin, Isaiah; Moodley, Kogi; Baijnath, Himansu; Ibrahim, Usri H.; Mackraj, Irene (September 2023). "The Antihypertensive Effect of Hydro-methanolic Extract of Tulbaghia acutiloba Harv. in L-NAME induced Hypertensive Rats". Clinical Complementary Medicine and Pharmacology. 3 (3): 100101. doi:10.1016/j.ccmp.2023.100101. Retrieved 2 July 2024.
- Reviewed: Three Dikgosi Monument
- Comment: Thank you in advance to the reviewer!
I will be looking into completing my QPQ later today!Done!
Ornithoptera (talk) 01:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Piano Quintet (Shostakovich)
- ... that Dmitri Shostakovich (pictured) said he composed his Piano Quintet to give himself an excuse to travel?
- Source: "His explanation of the change [in instrumentation] was idiosyncratic, to say the least. According to him, his change of heart had not been dominated by artistic considerations at all, but purely practical concerns. "Do you want to know why I wrote a piano part into the quartet? I did it so that I could play it myself and have a reason to go on tour to different towns and places. So now ... the Beethoven Quartet, who get to go everywhere, will have to take me with them, and I will get my chance to see the world as well!" We both laughed. "You are not serious?", I said. Shostakovich replied: "Absolutely! You are a dyed-in-the-wool stay-at-home, but I am a dyed-in-the-wool wanderer!" (Story of a Friendship: The Letters of Dmitry Shostakovich to Isaak Glikman, 1941–1975, p. xxxiii)
- ALT1: ... that the Piano Quintet by Dmitri Shostakovich (pictured) has been called "the most expensive piece of chamber music ever composed"? Source: [31]
- ALT2: ... that encores of parts from the Piano Quintet by Dmitri Shostakovich (pictured) were requested so often that wags took to calling it "a piece in five movements of which there are seven"? Source: [32], p. 43
- Reviewed:
CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
Mall curfew
- ... that a mall curfew policy at the Mall of America was challenged based on its constitutionality?
- Reviewed:
Reconrabbit 00:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC).
- I'll be picking this up for review, but before doing so I need some clarifications. The hook claims that the policy was challenged; however as far as I can tell it hasn't been tested in court yet, and the given source is more of an analysis about its constitutionality rather than any actual decision or lawsuit. The current hook wording might be too vague to meet scrutiny; perhaps attributing the challenge to the ACLU, or maybe changing the wording would address this concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- It can get a little vague. A lot of articles bring up that these policies "are in a legal gray area", "have been opposed by advocacy groups", and that these analyses have been written, but no formal challenge was made. Here's an alternate (that may be a bit less exciting):
- ALT1 ... that one of the first mall curfews was opposed by the American Civil Liberties Union?
Lilia Cosman
- ... that at age 15, Lilia Cosman moved from the United States to Romania to compete for Romania's Olympic gymnastics team?
- Source: TVInfo.ro
- ALT1: ... that American-born Lilia Cosman will compete for Romania at the 2024 Summer Olympics in artistic gymnastics? Source: MSNews.ro
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WZZM
- Comment:
QPQ coming soon.Willing to take suggestions to improve wording/phrasing. Requesting the Olympic special occasion holding area- she will compete in the qualification round on 28 July.
Riley1012 (talk) 21:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
Norman Hunter (footballer)
- ... that the Norman Hunter Golf Day charity has raised over £100,000 for CLL cancer research?
- ALT1: ... that following the 1972 FA Cup final at Wembley Stadium, Norman Hunter went to the Royal Box twice: once to receive his own medal, and again to help an injured teammate receive his? Source: [3]
- ALT2: ... that a schoolteacher tried to make left-footed footballer Norman Hunter play right-footed? Source: [4]
- Reviewed:
PearlyGigs (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ "Family of Leeds United legend Norman Hunter raise over £110,000 to support research to find a cure for Leukaemia". Leeds Hospitals Charity. 8 May 2024.
- ^ "Annual Norman Hunter Golf Day". Just Giving.
- ^ "Jones the Brave". Yorkshire Post. 31 May 2016.
- ^ Hunter, Norman; Waters, Don (2004). Biting Talk. Hodder & Stoughton. p. 7–8. ISBN 978-0-3408-3082-6.
Soviet Red Army Monument, Harbin
- ... that the Soviet Red Army Monument (pictured) in Harbin, China, was built over the destroyed remains of an earlier monument which honored the White Russian émigrés who died in the fight against the Comintern?
- ALT1: ... that after the Soviet Red Army Monument (pictured) in Harbin was covered with scaffolding during the Sino-Soviet split, diplomats and organizations would lay wreaths on it during the Qingming Festival and VE Day? Source: 見多識廣:難忘蘇軍烈士紀念碑
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/BB's Tex-Orleans
Toadboy123 (talk) 07:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment, not a full review, but ALT1 is better in my opinion (also the phrasing 'fight against Comintern' is quite skewed, arguably they fought the Soviet Union). But surely the wreaths were laid on Victory Day (9 May)? --Soman (talk) 12:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman: Would the first hook be acceptable to you if it was worded as '... that the Soviet Red Army Monument (pictured) in Harbin, China, was built over the destroyed remains of an earlier monument which honored the White Russian émigrés who died in the fight against the Soviet Union?' --Toadboy123 (talk) 16:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Zali Steggall
- ... that independent member of the Parliament of Australia Zali Steggall is also the most internationally successful skier in Australian history?
- ALT1: ... that independent member of the Parliament of Australia Zali Steggall is Australia's most successful skier? Source: https://sahof.org.au/hall-of-fame-member/zali-steggall/
- Reviewed:
- Comment: The two are alternatives in wording rather than content.
GraziePrego (talk) 05:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
- GraziePrego Article meets DYK standards – neutral, and free of plagiarism. Source is nice, but you need a second source for her membership of the Parliament. Second alt works more for me, (ALT1: ... that independent member of the Parliament of Australia Zali Steggall is Australia's most successful skier? ). Arconning (talk) 09:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Alex Chilowicz
- ... that in December 2023, former Major League Soccer referee Alex Chilowicz began officiating in the English Football League after relocating to England?
- Reviewed:
US Referee (talk) 01:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 2[edit]
The boys of Pointe du Hoc
- ... that when delivering his "The boys of Pointe du Hoc" speech on the 40th anniversary of the Normandy landings, Ronald Reagan addressed 62 veteran service members present on D-Day?
- ALT1: ... that 62 veteran service members where present when Ronald Reagan delivered his "The boys of Pointe du Hoc" speech on the 40th anniversary of the Normandy landings? Source: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-ronald-reagan-taught-me-my-most-unforgettable-political-lesson/
- ALT2: ... that Peggy Noonan got the line for Ronald Reagan's "The boys of Pointe du Hoc" speech from book The Boys of Summer about the Brooklyn Dodgers? Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-emotional-day-when-regan-delivered-his-normandy-speech/
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- Comment: Trying to include the 62 and the link to Reagan in the hook while avoiding clunky writing, open to re-writes.
- Comment: Included a less politically motivated-sounding hook. I'm okay with the second route. microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 19:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 20:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC).
Accessibility of transport in London
- ... that in 2006, London became one of the first major cities to have an fully accessible bus fleet?
- ALT1: ... that all London taxis have been accessible to wheelchair passengers since 2000? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/travel/rolling-along-in-london.html
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- Comment: Hi, this article has been a labour of love for 3 years and it's finally moved to mainspace! I offer a variety of hooks (positive and negative), happy for feedback on this - there's a fair few relevant photos too.
Turini2 (talk) 12:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Some problems need fixing. TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've made changes and comments as required to the article. I think I'd like to focus on the positive hooks, with this photo instead? Turini2 (talk) 11:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
2024 MLS All-Star Game
- ... that Inter Miami CF will have four players making their all-star debuts in the 2024 MLS All-Star Game? Source: ESPN
- ALT1: ... that the 2024 MLS All-Star Game will be the third to feature an all-star team from Liga MX? Source: ESPN
- Reviewed: Lahug Airport
SounderBruce 02:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC).
- Article is newly created (converted from redirect) and long enough. QPQ has been done. The six sources in the article are reliable (ESPN) or from official press releases. But there are a couple of copyvio concerns, especially phrases like "selected by MLS commissioner Don Garber", "was created on May 13", "appeared in at least 50 percent" which can be further reworded. Personally I find the ALT1 hook more interesting, especially on its focus on the bolded article.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 3[edit]
Gaku Akazawa
- ... that Olympic wrestler Gaku Akazawa also runs a popular massage parlor?
- Source: Japan News ("His many experiences with injuries prompted an interest in physical care, and he opened a Japanese-style massage parlor using self-taught techniques. It became so popular that it was constantly filled with reservations.")
- ALT1: ... that wrestler Gaku Akazawa qualified for the 2024 Summer Olympics after having been unsuccessful in qualifying for the 2012, 2016, and 2020 Olympics? Source: same ("he constantly battled injuries that led to surgery on both shoulders and derailed his bid to make the 2012 London Olympics ... he made the bold decision to venture by himself to Russia to hone his skills in the hotbed of wrestling. But he still came up short in qualifying for the next Olympics ... He was unable to be nationalized in time for the Tokyo Olympics in 2021, but gaining Samoa citizenship in December last year made him eligible for Paris.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Tomato sandwich
- ... that a good tomato sandwich (pictured) is so messy it needs to be eaten over the kitchen sink? Source: https://gardenandgun.com/articles/the-souths-best-tomato-sandwiches/ "The very best tomato sandwich is the one you eat while leaning over the kitchen sink, impervious to the Duke's mayonnaise getting on your fingers and the tomato juice dribbling down your chin. Or so says nearly every story that's ever been written about the South's most beloved sandwich, a glorious summertime treat."
Valereee (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Pinxton Castle
- ... that the moat around Pinxton Castle was inside the perimeter walls, rather than outside?
- Source: [33]
- Reviewed:
Doug Weller talk 10:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
List of petitions calling for Israel ban from Sports
- ... that calls for Israel to be banned from international sports have grown louder due to the Israel–Hamas war?
- Reviewed:
Ghazaalch (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
Lady Tacos de Canasta
- ... that after her tacos were featured on a Netflix series, Lady Tacos de Canasta moved into politics?
- Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexican-netflix-street-vendor-star-lady-tacos-eyes-jump-political-stage-2021-04-13/ - "After Mexico City's 'Lady Tacos de Canasta,' a street vendor featured in a Netflix series, stood up to police who she said harassed her on the street, she decided to take her fight for worker and LGBT rights to a bigger stage."
- Reviewed:
- Comment: this is my first time nominating an article for DYK. what suggestions would you have?
jeschaton (immanentize) 15:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC).
- Nomination just barely meets the length requirement and is not well-sourced considering. The year of birth and the first paragraph of the biography section have {{cn}} tags. The article alleges that the subject was attacked twice by police using a source that doesn't mention that, which seems like a pretty serious WP:BLP issue. hinnk (talk) 19:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Environmental impacts of artificial intelligence
- ... that training the model for ChatGPT used the equivalent energy footprint of driving 123 gasoline-powered passenger vehicles for a year?
- ALT1: ... that using a model like ChatGPT on every Google search could use the same amount of energy as the European Union? Source: https://www.vox.com/climate/2024/3/28/24111721/ai-uses-a-lot-of-energy-experts-expect-it-to-double-in-just-a-few-years
- ALT2: ... that artificial intelligence could use 0.5% of all current energy usage by the year 2027? Source:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/climate/ai-could-soon-need-as-much-electricity-as-an-entire-country.html
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- Comment: Made this article today, thought it was cool.
Bluethricecreamman (talk) 03:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 4[edit]
Abdul Ali Deobandi
- ... that Abdul Ali Deobandi stipulated that women were prohibited from learning reading and writing, even at home?
- Reviewed:
Faldi00 (talk) 08:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
The Daleks' Master Plan
- ... that Doctor Who's first Christmas episode aired in 1965?
- Source: Den of Geek
- ALT1: ... that the Doctor wishes "a happy Christmas to all of you at home"? Source: Wright 2017, p. 133
- ALT2: ... that one Doctor Who serial was so long it led the director, producer, script editor, and production designer to step away from the series? Source: Wright 2017, p. 138; Howe, Walker & Stammers 1994, p. 216; Bentham 1986, p. 148
- ALT3: ... that one Doctor Who serial was so long that the show's new producer threatened to resign? Source: Wright 2017, p. 110
- ALT4: ... that Adrienne Hill's first work on Doctor Who was recording her death scene? Source: Wright 2017, p. 124; Keen 2010, p. 106
- ALT5: ... that Doctor Who's first two companion deaths occurred in the same story? Source: Muir 1999, p. 119
- ALT6: ... that Jean Marsh was temporarily banished from the Doctor Who studio for laughing too much during rehearsals of The Daleks' Master Plan? Source: Wright 2017, pp. 129–130
- ALT7: ... that three-quarters of Doctor Who's longest story are missing? Source: Wright 2017, pp. 146–147
- Reviewed: Empire of Death (Doctor Who episode)
- Comment: ALT0 or ALT1 would have been great to hold for December 25 if it was six weeks away instead of six months.
– Rhain ☔ (he/him) 23:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
Céline Dept
- ... that Céline Dept (pictured) was the first Belgian YouTuber to reach 10 million subscribers?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Several newspapers in Belgium covered this fact at the time, so I think it's notable.
―Howard • 🌽33 20:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
Hadriana in All My Dreams
- ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?
- Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.
- ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
- Reviewed: [[]]
- Comment: Source is under a paywall but can be accessed by users with access to Wikipedia library (check cairn-info). The source is in French. I'm not sure which hook has better wording, but traditionally there are considered to be six major awards, which the source lists - Prix Renaudot, Prix Goncourt, Prix Femina, Prix Médicis, Prix Interallié, and Grand Prix du roman de l'Académie française (https://guides.loc.gov/french-collections/french-literary-prizes).
Jaguarnik (talk) 07:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: Please transcribe the book passage that confirms the hook fact to this nomination. Schwede66 23:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
George Hunter Cary
- ... that citizens of New Westminster burnt and drowned effigies of Attorney General George Hunter Cary?
- Source: Taylor, Robert Ratcliffe (October 31, 2018). "A Person of Some Consequence: Attorney-general George Hunter Cary (1832–1866)". Ormsby Review. https://thebcreview.ca/2018/12/05/411-the-boy-attorney-general-of-b-c/
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 06:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
- New enough in mainspace and long enough. QPQ present. Hook fact checks out and is in source. No textual issues I can see. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Queer manicure
- ... that some queer people wear shorter nails on their middle and index fingers to allow for easier manual sex and to express a queer identity?
- Source: Preston, Devon. "Meet the Femmicure: Where Queer Nail Art Meets Functionality", PopSugar, 18 August 2022. Retrieved 4 July 2024.
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Orchastrattor (talk) 04:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but Popsugar is red on WP:UPSD. What makes it reliable?--Launchballer 11:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: LA covers the same claim,[1] PS was just the citation used in the article, I can update the article to match that instead. Orchastrattor (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to say that PS should come out together, although checking WP:RSN, there isn't really a consensus, and this isn't really contentious. I'd be inclined to let it slide but I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it. Full review needed.--Launchballer 09:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Thompson, Martine. "Cheers to the Queer Manicure", Los Angeles Times, 22 June 2022. Retrieved 27 June 2024.
Articles created/expanded on July 5[edit]
Alasan Ann
- ... that taekwondo practitioner Alasan Ann was injured by a gunshot four months prior to the Olympic qualification tournament, but recovered in time and won the competition?
- Source: Olympics.com
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Open to other ways of wording this.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Clover Point
- ... that untreated sewage was dumped directly into the ocean from Clover Point until 2020?
- Reviewed:
Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Grace Panvini
- ... that petite soprano Grace Panvini stood 4 foot 11 3/4 inches tall; a height which one reviewer described as an asset for appearing youthful on stage?
- Source: For her height of 4 foot 11 3/4 inches: "INSTRUCTORS TEACH STUDENTS TO LIFT THEIR VOICES". South Florida Sun Sentinel. December 3, 1996.
4meter4 (talk) 21:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
Fred Thomas (British politician)
- ... that British politician Fred Thomas was called a "real life Walter Mitty in Plymouth" because he allegedly exaggerated his military record?
Sahaib (talk) 13:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
Africa Express Presents... Terry Riley's In C Mali
- ALT1: ... that Damon Albarn of Blur plays alongside West African musicians on In C Mali?
- Reviewed: will do soon
— PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 19:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment regarding the article title – MOS:ELLIPSIS says:
Generally, use a non-breaking space before an ellipsis, and a regular space after it
. The article title does not have a space before the ellipsis and I see no good reason why the space should not be there. Let's clear this up before it goes to the main page; wouldn't want to see this being moved whilst it is on the main page. Schwede66 05:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: I would assume that MOS:ELLIPSIS is referring to how to write prose, not article titles. I can't find precedent that we conform ellipsis spacing to the MOS in titles. Here are some examples I found:
- All sources use the "... " form. [38], [39], [40] (except Rolling Stone, which unspaces the ellipsis). Spacing the ellipsis in a way that no sources do would fail the "Naturalness" part of WP:CRITERIA. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 16:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
David B. Gillespie
- ... that David Gillespie was the first person to receive a document in the nature of a diploma from the University of North Carolina?
- Source: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
- ALT1: ... that the first person to receive a document in the nature of a diploma from the University of North Carolina was David Gillespie? Source: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
- ALT2: ... that David Gillespie served as chief surveyor to Andrew Ellicott on the commission to determine the thirty-first parallel? Source: Holmes, Jack D. L. (April 1966). "The Southern Boundary Commission, the Chattahoochee River, and the Florida Seminoles, 1799". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 44 (4): 312–337. JSTOR 30147229.
- Reviewed:
Aneirinn (talk) 08:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- : Article is new enough, and long enough, and predominantly soured with public domain content so no apparent copyright issues. However, I find none of the hooks interesting to a wide audience (an increasingly common issue with DYK). And despite the article title, no reliable sources seem to use the middle initial "B.": where does this come from? And spot checking sources, Battle 1890 does not seem to have a page 170, nor mention David Gillespie anywhere. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I used the wrong book as the source. The source I was using had combined the two books in one pdf and I had missed that. Also, concerning his middle name, I suppose you are saying that "Death at Red Springs". The Weekly Star. Vol. XXIX. Wilmington, North Carolina: North Carolina Newspapers, Digital North Carolina. June 10, 1898. p. 1. is not a reliable source for this? If so, could you please clarify if that is correct? Aneirinn (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that newspaper obit (including its earlier printing on June 5, 1898) is the only source using "B", and no scholar has used it since, then it's most likely a one-off error (typos, misspellings, and incorrect info is common in short obits from the time): note there was a Dr. David B(ryson) Gillespie of Bladen County who died in 1905 mentioned in NC newspapers, and may have caused conflation. Find a Grave uses the middle B, but it's an unreliable user-generated source and the tombstone image does not corroborate it. Since David Gillespie (politician) already exists, David Gillespie (surveyor) or David Gillespie (American politician) may be more appropriate titles in line with predominant form of name. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Three Dikgosi Monument
- ... that some minority ethnic groups in Botswana view the Three Dikgosi Monument as a proclamation of Motswana dominance? Source: [41]
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Overall: Going to review this one, since my DYK nomination has a distribution in Botswana as well. Was on DYK previously, but guidelines were changed to allow for renominations after 5 years (previous inclusion was in 2012). New enough, long enough, sourced, neutral, and plagiarism free. Hook is cited and interesting. I'm going to hold on to the confirmation temporarily to ensure whether @48JCL: wants to include the photograph as well, since there appears to be a caption but there is no photograph included in the template. Ornithoptera (talk) 01:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ornithoptera, as Botswana does not have Freedom of Panorama, we can't run this hook with an image. Schwede66 05:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 6[edit]
Wandering Souls (novel)
- ... that the author of the novel Wandering Souls, about Vietnamese refugees, was inspired by an episode of A Very British History?
- Source: Skinner, Mark (January 1, 2024). "Cecile Pin on the Background to Wandering Souls". waterstones.com. Retrieved July 6, 2024.
SL93 (talk) 21:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Anna DeShawn
- ... that Anna DeShawn started E3 Radio to help educate others about Black women she did not learn about in grade school?
- Source: https://www.thereckoningmag.com/the-reckoning-blog/the-qube-creator-anna-deshawn-is-creating-a-space-for-lgbtq-podcasters-to-thrive#gs.bb0iar The work of pioneering Black women like Ella Baker and Fannie Lou Hamer inspired DeShawn. These were women she hadn’t been taught about in any of her grade school studies, and she wanted other people to know about them. She thought, “I can do PSAs about these women and syndicate them to college radio stations, and then we can have a college radio network. That's how [E3 Radio] started.”
- ALT1: ... that Anna DeShawn was inducted into the Chicago LGBT Hall of Fame for her work celebrating "the overlooked and underrepresented"? Source: https://chicagolgbthalloffame.org/anna-deshawn/ She [DeShawn] was inspired to create a platform to center and celebrate the overlooked and underrepresented.
- ALT2: ... that Anna DeShawn said she fell in love with radio because she could "talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants"? Source: https://chicagoreader.com/city-life/meet-anna-deshawn-of-e3-radio-and-the-qube/ She eventually found her niche when, as a student at Drake University, she landed an internship for the popular radio show Tom Joyner Morning Show. “I realized I could talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants. I thought, ‘This is the life.’ And so I fell in love with radio.”
- Reviewed:
CaptainAngus (talk) 20:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Marie Breen
- ... that Marie Breen retired from the Australian Senate to care for her husband, who had been badly injured in a car accident?
- ALT1: ... that Australian Senator Marie Breen advocated for Australian involvement in the Vietnam War? Source: https://biography.senate.gov.au/breen-marie-freda/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/LS Power
- Comment: 1501 B of prose > 8329 B of prose, hence 5x claim
Kimikel (talk) 22:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
Congenital anosmia
- ... that some people are born without the ability to smell, a rare condition called congenital anosmia that affects approximately 1 in 10,000 individuals?
- ALT1: ... that congenital anosmia, a rare condition where people are born without the ability to smell, can affect food enjoyment and pose safety risks due to the inability to detect dangerous odors? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9283015/
- ALT2: ... that Ben Cohen, co-founder of Ben & Jerry's ice cream, has congenital anosmia, which influenced the company's signature chunky ice cream style? Source: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ben-jerry-chunky-because-cofounder-taste-limit/
- Reviewed:
AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- ALT3: ... that 1 in 10,000 individuals are born without the ability to smell?
- Why not make the hook short and snappy? Schwede66 05:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Much better! AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 16:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Sam Carling
- ... that Sam Carling was the first UK MP born in the 21st century? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/06/labour-sam-carling-22-first-mp-born-in-21st-century
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rashmika Mandanna
- Comment: Drive-by nom. Some editors are allergic to "first" hooks, but as there is only a finite number of MPs and all of their ages are in the public domain I think we're safe.
Launchballer 20:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment only. It's interesting that you say that
all of their ages are in the public domain
. I spent a few hours yesterday clearing Results of the 2024 United Kingdom general election by constituency of dozens of links to disambiguation pages. Very, very few of the new MP bios included a year of birth. I don't doubt that The Guardian has got its facts straight, but I do doubt that your statement holds true. If it was true, those bios would presumably have included birth years. Schwede66 05:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, that was a very clumsy way of putting that. I meant that all of the information would have been available to the Guardian for them to fact-check their claim (especially given that baby of the House is a thing). It's very unlikely someone else is going to sprout up and prove us wrong.--Launchballer 19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Anderson's Grocery
- ... that in its centennial year Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) was one of only 10 small chain groceries 100 years or older?
- Source: Craig, john (June 25, 2000). "A century in the family". The Spokesman-Review. Spokesman Review, Jun 6, 2000. Page B1
...able to identify about 10 small grocery chains across the county that have been in business 100 years or more
- ALT1: ... that during its over 100 years of business Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) used to have egg and wool bartering, grain milling, and vehicle fueling? Source: Spokesman Review, Jun 6, 2000. Page B1 & B5
- ALT2: ... that with a full 1955 rebuild and 1985 expansion, Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) had never burned down with the rest of republic? Source: Spokesman Review, Jun 6, 2000. Page B5
They coped with devastating fires- Anderson's is one of the few businesses to never burn down...
&...are located where the tiny wood frame building originally stood. The store was rebuilt in 1955 and expanded and renovated in 1985.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Satin berrypecker
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Overall: Valereee (talk) 18:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've added a cn for an unsourced statement. There's a period missing at the end of the same sentence, maybe you got distracted just then?I'm also not a huge fan of any of the hooks, I feel like they could be tightened. For instance, what does have been rebuilt or expanded have to do with burning down? The hook seems to be relating the two. "Over its century plus of business...formerly offered" seems awkward...why does it matter that it was a century of business? Maybe something like 'that the nearly 125-year-old Anderson's Grocery used to offer' or something? I like the ALT0 idea a lot, but is it possible to update? We're basically saying that in 2000 it was blah blah blah. It's now 2024, is it still one of ten? Also "was one of only 10 small chain groceries 100 years or older?" feels awkward, it feels like it should be "was one of only 10 small chain groceries 100 years old or older?" or "at least a century in business" or something. Valereee (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Valereee: I have to work with what sources are out there, hence the hooks that have been provided. We have a RS that discusses the Centennial, we do not have a RS thats keeping a running tally of the store now being 122yo, 123yo, 124. As such i erred on the side of DYK rules requiring sources for everything and noted the Centennial.
- The expansion hook is relevant to Republic (like most western towns) almost totally burnt down several times, Andersons got lucky and didnt, but the original building has still been destroyed with the rebuild and the expansion. so yes the hook IS relating the two based on the noted fire history of the West
- I reworded the three hooks a bit to combat verbosity. I also added the missing citation.--Kevmin § 20:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
So the kinds of things I was thinking are like:
ALT0a: * ... that in its centennial year, Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) was one of only 10 US small grocery chains still in business after 100 years or more? '100 years or older' just feels awkward
ALT1a: ... that Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) once bartered with customers for eggs and wool and offered grain milling? Vehicle fueling doesn't seem that interesting, Kroger's does it now
ALT2a: ... that unlike most of Republic, Washington, during its first hundred years of business, Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) never burned?
ALT2b:... that Anderson's Grocery (sign pictured) was rebuilt in 1955, but not because it, unlike most of Republic, Washington, had burned? I get that it's interesting that the building has been rebuilt for a reason other than typical for the area, and that so yes it's related, but we aren't saying that in ALT2. We're just stating two apparently unrelated facts. We need to either make the connection or make it so intriguing that there doesn't seem to be a connection that people's interest is piqued.
Valereee (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- All four massaged alts look good and are factual to the souring. I would say I most like Alt0a and alt2a. --00:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Godzilla Minus One
- ... that a Japanese essayist and film historian has called Godzilla Minus One a "dangerous movie"?
- ALT1: ... that the distributor of Godzilla Minus One felt the film "benefited from less competition on release due to the strike in Hollywood"? Source: THR
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aurora Gaming
- Comment: Not sure whether to wikify the person in question or not...
Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics
- ... that at the 1960 Summer Olympics, Suriname's sole athlete was at peace after not competing?
Arconning (talk) 15:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this! Arcahaeoindris (talk) 15:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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- This hook is super interesting and the article is great. I think maybe the hook needs rewording though as it's not clear that this "peace" came more than four decades later. How about "four decades after missing an event at the 1960 Summer Olympics, Suriname's sole athlete was found to have not "overslept"? I'm also waiting on the plagiarism checker to worki again. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 04:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Arcahaeoindris So that would be "... that four decades after missing an event at the 1960 Summer Olympics, Suriname's sole athlete was found to have not "overslept"? " Arconning (talk) 15:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 7[edit]
Eilish Cleary
- ... that Eilish Cleary's role as Chief Medical Officer of Health in New Brunswick was controversially terminated while studying glyphosate, a herbicide that is widely used in the province's industries?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Myinsaing
- Comment: I'm not totally confident in the hook, so feel free to offer feedback or suggestions on whether it can be used or not. Thanks!
B3251(talk) 21:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Huang Wenxiu
- ... that following her death in 2019, Huang Wenxiu was elevated into a national model by the Chinese Communist Party in recognition of her work as a party secretary of a village in rural China?
- ALT1: ... that Huang Wenxiu gave up looking for a professional job in Beijing and decided to take part in poverty alleviation in rural China? Source: China’s Communist Party tries to create a new hero for the masses - Washington Post
芳华无悔——追记用生命坚守初心和使命的青年共产党员黄文秀 - Reviewed:
Toadboy123 (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Hunter River Railway Company
- ... that in its two years of existence, the Hunter River Railway Company initiated construction on the line that would eventually connect Sydney to Queensland by rail for the first time?
- Source: 'The line was extended eastwards to the present Newcastle Station and westwards to near the present Maitland Station in 1858, then continued northwards on the inland route to Queensland, being opened to Wallangarra (HEM on station) in January 1888.' https://portal.engineersaustralia.org.au/system/files/engineering-heritage-australia/nomination-title/Great_Northern_Railway.pdf
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Will Thorpe (talk) 13:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Victory Vertical
- ... that the Victory Vertical piano (pictured) was developed in 1942 to be parachuted to US troops?
- Source: "The first prototype for the Victory Vertical pianos was prepared for government inspection by June 1942, after Theodore E. Steinway received a request from the U.S. government’s War Production Board for heavy-duty military pianos" from: Sparks, Alyssa (9 June 2019). "The Steinway Victory Vertical Piano Project". The Messenger. Retrieved 3 July 2024. and "Around 5,000 special models of piano called the ‘Victory Vertical’ or ‘G.I. Steinways’ were made during the Second World War; a small piano designed to be carried on ships or dropped by parachute from an airplane to bring music to the soldiers on the battlefield." from: Hall, Sophia Alexandra (5 May 2022). "During World War II Steinway pianos were parachuted onto battlefields to provide relaxation". Classic FM. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
- ALT1: ... that during World War II the US military was supplied with Steinway pianos designed to survive parachute drops (pictured)? Source: as above
- ALT2: ... that Steinway & Sons' 1942 Victory Vertical piano (pictured) used just 10% of the metal required by traditional designs? Source: "Due to restrictions, they were also designed using a tenth of the metal used to make a normal piano." from: Hall, Sophia Alexandra (5 May 2022). "During World War II Steinway pianos were parachuted onto battlefields to provide relaxation". Classic FM. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
- ALT3: ... that after making aircraft parts and coffins, Steinway & Sons returned to piano production in 1942 to develop a special model for the US military (pictured)? Source: "Steinway’s New York factory stayed open by constructing tails, wings, and other parts for troop transport gliders. As the war continued, Steinway & Sons was also contracted to make coffins for the National Casket Co.," from: Sparks, Alyssa (9 June 2019). "The Steinway Victory Vertical Piano Project". The Messenger. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cocoa production in São Tomé and Príncipe
Dumelow (talk) 08:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
- Afernand74 has found a PD photograph of the piano (I had searched in vain for one), so I have added it to the nom. Thanks so much Afernand74! - Dumelow (talk) 15:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
General eligibility:
- New enough: - The expansion is under 5x
- Long enough:
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Overall: I prefer the first hook. The issue noted above re the expansion needs to be addressed. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:1C0D:29BD:F02A:DC84 (talk) 23:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 8[edit]
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