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Cite badminton in sport section Backdoored (talk) 17:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Under energy, add the Viking Link and National Grid network, such as the following:
Much of Great Britain's National Grid electric power transmission network runs through England.[1] The English parts of the National Grid are controlled from the National Grid Control Centre located in Berkshire.[2] The Viking Link between Denmark and England is the world’s longest land and subsea interconnector, which was completed in 2023.[3][4] 2A0A:EF40:E0D:1D01:4971:1631:57B8:4CC0 (talk) 23:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Not done as this is a request to verbatim restore an edit by LTA banned user Lam312321321. They are the reason that this article is currently edit protected. --Belbury (talk) 08:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "National Grid". National Grid. Retrieved 2024-01-14.
- ^ "National Grid Control Centre Visit | Royal Meteorological Society". Rmets.org. 2012-09-24. Retrieved 2016-08-21.
- ^ "National Grid announces commercial operations of Viking Link – the world's longest land and subsea interconnector | National Grid Group". www.nationalgrid.com. Retrieved 2024-01-13.
- ^ Mavrokefalidis, Dimitris (2024-01-02). "National Grid activates world's longest land and subsea interconnector". Energy Live News. Retrieved 2024-01-14.
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Add all the English cities designated City of Literature under Literature; this includes Exeter, Manchester, Norwich, and Nottingham. KingandcountryGB (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)( Blocked sockpuppet of Lam312321321, see investigation)
Question: why? M.Bitton (talk) 00:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: Charliehdb (talk) 13:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Update
[edit]The poltics section needs to be updated, due to the aftermath of the UK general election. 2A0A:EF40:E4A:E101:1D3D:909:A1B3:2F4B (talk) 10:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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> [[1]]
> Change the MP make up of England, after the results of the recent election. KingandcountryGB (talk) 18:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Already done macaddct1984 (talk | contribs) 13:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Constituent country
[edit]I personally think the first line "England is a country that is part of the United Kingdom." should be changed to "England is a constituent country that is part of the United Kingdom". I understand that a constituent country is just a type of country, although when someone hears the word country they wouldn't think of a constituent country. I do think that the first line of the article is linked well considering "country" leads to the actual page of the constituent countries that make up the United Kingdom, although I think it'd be better to call England a constituent country, as not only is it more specific but it is also the correct name that it should be given.
England shouldn't be called just a country, as it is already part of a country (United Kingdom). To any typical person it wouldn't make much sense for four countries to be part of one country, that'd more be a continent.
It doesn't hurt anyone to call it a constituent country as it doesn't change the meaning of the first line, nor does it change the truth, rather, it's even more correct, stating the type of country England actually is.
Wordings like these tend to lead people to mistakes, causing many people to just call nations such as England "a country inside a country" without actually knowing the difference between the status of England and the status of another country such as Russia. They are not the same thing, so they shouldn't be called the same thing. (Note: I am copy and pasting this across the talk pages of all the constituent countries that make up the United Kingdom to try and get it changed)
Thank you, Setergh (talk) 16:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Have a look at the first conversation on this page, above. It makes the same argument, and failed to gain any consensus for change. KJP1 (talk) 17:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen the conversations although I felt like trying to bring up the topic again as I still feel like the problem should be noted. But alright, I'll drop it. No need to follow me around though. Setergh (talk) 17:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Didn't notice the warning box about it either. Setergh (talk) 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen the conversations although I felt like trying to bring up the topic again as I still feel like the problem should be noted. But alright, I'll drop it. No need to follow me around though. Setergh (talk) 17:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Removing image of Palace of Westminster
[edit]@Goodreg3 removed the Palace of Westminster image from the politics section, apparently because As this article is about England and English politics alone, as the seat of the overall UK Parliament, it really does not serve a purpose here. What else are we going to add here? The Palace of Westminster is where England is governed from. 2A0A:EF40:E37:4201:9DCA:1E0C:AD96:D1EA (talk) 22:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Politics of England has pictures of the Palace of Westminster. It should be added back. 2A0A:EF40:E37:4201:9DCA:1E0C:AD96:D1EA (talk) 22:58, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Per User_talk:Goodreg3#Friendly_warning, this IP has the sniff of a sock about them. That said, a picture of the building, in England, from which England is governed is clearly pertinent to a section which discusses same. There is no body which deals with "England and English politics alone", so following the logic of removal of the picture would imply the article text should also go; clearly absurd. Also, unexplained, apparently pointless and sometimes detrimental changes to the position of images is a trait of the editor who removed the Westminster image and I'm unclear as to the benefit of the changes noted as "formatting". I'm not going to indulge a sneaky sock though so I'll let others contemplate. Mutt Lunker (talk) 09:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- In response to your comments about the “pointless” image moving, it improves the formatting of the article, avoiding overlap into other sections of the article and avoids sandwiching of text. Goodreg3 (talk) 19:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- That the avoidance of this is desirable or an improvement is your personal inclination only. It often makes the appearance rather stiff and awkward looking and, from memory of similar changes made at other articles, sometimes actively disordered or clunky. You shouldn't be editing on personal whim. Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Whether I’m editing on personal whim is your own interpretation of my edits. It may appear that you as a single editor just don’t like my contributions. However, this is not the place or the subject of this discussion to be discussing my own prior edits to other articles. Goodreg3 (talk) 20:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- That the avoidance of this is desirable or an improvement is your personal inclination only. It often makes the appearance rather stiff and awkward looking and, from memory of similar changes made at other articles, sometimes actively disordered or clunky. You shouldn't be editing on personal whim. Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would also like to kindly point out to you, that over the course of my 7,000+ edits, not all of them are concerned with moving images about! :) Goodreg3 (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why? Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I believe you are exaggerating a little by claiming that all I do is spend time on here moving images about, which is not the case. I have created a number of articles, edited stubs and expanded articles up to reasonable standards and keeping information updated and current on several articles. I just wanted to point out to you the, what I would class, valued contributions I make to Wikipedia. Should you wish to see my contributions further in terms of article creations and expansions, please check out my user page before you begin to claim all I do is move images about again. Goodreg3 (talk) 20:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- "trait" ≠ "all (you) do is". Do not confect grievances. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- You will need to explain this further. Again, please feel free to explore my other contributions and you will find you are deliberately being selective in your use of facts. Goodreg3 (talk) 20:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- You are falsely claiming that I have said that "all (you) do is" x. If it's not based on a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of my reference to a "trait" of yours, blowed if I know what. You might want to withdraw the claim. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also, unexplained, apparently pointless and sometimes detrimental changes to the position of images is a trait of the editor who removed the Westminster image.
- Trait could mean anything, including tendency, trademark, mannerism or characteristic, all of which would imply that someone spends their time only doing that particular thing which is not the case, and I would like you to recognise that and withdraw your comment which I quoted above.
- Trait is defined as “ a distinguishing quality or characteristic” in the dictionary, therefore I stand by what I say, that you are suggesting my overarching characteristic in terms of what I bring to Wikipedia is the movement of images. Not the case. Goodreg3 (talk) 21:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am merely wishing to point out to you that my only “trait” is not only moving images about, that I have contributed heavily in areas of interest, expanding and creating articles which you did not seem to acknowledge. Not that I want any honour from you about my contributions, but I just want to take the time to point out to you that it is not my only trait and I have contributed to Wikipedia over the years effectively. Or do you only notice and mention the things which you don’t particularly like? Goodreg3 (talk) 21:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not wishing to take up further space here, I've taken the matter elsewhere. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are falsely claiming that I have said that "all (you) do is" x. If it's not based on a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of my reference to a "trait" of yours, blowed if I know what. You might want to withdraw the claim. Mutt Lunker (talk) 20:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- You will need to explain this further. Again, please feel free to explore my other contributions and you will find you are deliberately being selective in your use of facts. Goodreg3 (talk) 20:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- "trait" ≠ "all (you) do is". Do not confect grievances. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I believe you are exaggerating a little by claiming that all I do is spend time on here moving images about, which is not the case. I have created a number of articles, edited stubs and expanded articles up to reasonable standards and keeping information updated and current on several articles. I just wanted to point out to you the, what I would class, valued contributions I make to Wikipedia. Should you wish to see my contributions further in terms of article creations and expansions, please check out my user page before you begin to claim all I do is move images about again. Goodreg3 (talk) 20:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why? Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add an image under goverance, like the The Palace of Westminster, maybe this [[2]] could be restored, by author Diliff? 81.78.140.67 (talk) 18:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Not done per the suggestion of discussion in the above talk page section, perhaps the editor who removed it could give an opinion. --Belbury (talk) 19:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- OK thank you! 81.78.140.67 (talk) 19:10, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
England is not a country because it is not sovereign and not recognized as a seperate country.
[edit]This is as far as I can tell the wikipedia conseus for countryhood. Alexander Shipfield (talk) 12:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Alexander Shipfield - have a look at the FAQ at the top of this page. KJP1 (talk) 14:49, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Suggest reading Country to see what the English world considers a country versus a sovereign state. Moxy🍁 18:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Can we put an "(official)" under "Christianity" in religion section in infobox?
[edit] Gammawammallama (talk) 19:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- England does not have an "official" religion, even though there is a (Christian) Church of England headed by the monarch.Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Two sources to support the Grand Prix motorcycle racing in the sport section (which are noted as needing sources).
'England has seen the manufacture some of the most technically advanced racing cars, and many of today's racing companies choose England as their base of operations' Source: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/where-are-f1-teams-based/10348715/
'England also has a rich heritage in Grand Prix motorcycle racing, the premier championship of motorcycle road racing, and produced several world champions' Source: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/advice/travelling-touring/places-to-visit/silverstone-experience-centre/ 2A0A:EF40:EB2:5501:758B:54C1:D175:10FA (talk) 22:44, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- First one done, second source doesn't seem to support most of the sentence (just talks about a local museum). Rusalkii (talk) 00:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Under sport, add this source for Grand Prix motorcycle racing. 2A0A:EF40:EB2:5501:8C39:135:C552:C9A2 (talk) 22:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also, under history, there is a link issue: [[Christianisation of Anglo-Saxon England|reintroduced by missionaries[[ needs to be fixed. 2A0A:EF40:EB2:5501:3446:C2C7:CCC7:1F34 (talk) 19:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Latter done. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Done
Kingsmasher678 (talk) 16:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
GA concerns
[edit]I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria because of the uncited text throughout the article, including an entire paragraph in the "cuisine" section. Is anyone interested in finding citations for this information, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 21:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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