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Lead length

I've done a bit of trimming in the lead. Length-wise, I think it's more or less fine as is. There are many paragraphs but they're pretty short, so they could simply do with a bit of merging and some more efficient wording, if needed. From a rough count, it has just over half the number of words as the lead of World War II, a GA article, and in terms of information, I find it hard to image any significant portions that could be trimmed without sacrificing essential information. If anything, the lead might also deserve a quick mention of its architectural legacy, given that this is the main physical and visual remnant of this period today (though I may be biased by my personal interests in that regard!). But feel free to discuss. R Prazeres (talk) 20:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've merged the second and third paras, which work ok together, and removed the segue into Islamic taxation, which is generic info for Islamic realms and not specific to the subject. Now it's the requisite four paragraphs. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:59, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that looks fine to me. A line about Christians and especially Jewish communities under Muslim rule might still be warranted, given their importance to the topic, but maybe more so on their specific cultural development in this period rather than their taxation and legal status which, as you rightly point out, is common to the rest of the Islamic world. R Prazeres (talk) 22:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - the note about Jewish communities should restored as it's a primary aspect of the topic. Andre🚐 03:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Islamic Arts of the Book

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 January 2024 and 2 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Goldfinch12 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Curious Shrimp, Bandzvlad.

— Assignment last updated by Bumblebeatrice (talk) 19:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One would think that whoever is supposed to be supervising these students would ensure that they understand how to properly format text and references, as well as Wikipedia guidelines on style and tone, before letting them loose on articles where they may waste their time and that of other editors with edits that will be promptly reverted. I suspect that many of these "supervisors" don't know the basics of Wikipedia editing themselves. Carlstak (talk) 16:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what's with the homosexuality/pederastry 'injected'

it looks like it also lacks citations for some of its claims, and also sets a deviant tone in a otherwise more 'family friendly' article, imo. there appears to be no other section or paragraph devoted to the private sexual habits of its citizens or ruling segment under 'culture', whether alleged or otherwise, other than under that title. 12.146.12.12 (talk) 04:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Persian works?

The section on science mentions "exposure of scientists to translations of older Greek and Persian works during that time". What Persian older works were translated? The Britannica article doesn't mention anything about Persian works. It's a well-known fact that works of science were first translated in the Muslim East starting in the 9th century from Greek, occasionally Indian sources (sometimes through the intermediacy of Syriac), and in Al-Andalus later from Latin. To the best of knowledge, there is no mention of scientific works translated from Persian, especially in Al-Andalus. Is there any support for this claim? 2603:7081:5D00:385C:8CE2:D7B0:958A:AEB6 (talk) 22:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is mentioned explicitly by the other cited source ([1]), and it's a pretty common thing mentioned about Islamic scientific culture more generally. In the meantime, I've improved the citations and the rest of the paragraph a little by removing Britannica and adding a more reliable and specialized reference ([2]). R Prazeres (talk) 00:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almoravids & Almohads in lead

Hi @POTDL, regarding this (and [3]): it is very easy to verify that both the Almoravids and Almohads had their capital at Marrakesh throughout their time in power, aside from their earliest years during their initial conquests, and crucially throughout the respective periods where they controlled al-Andalus. Since the domination of al-Andalus by two back-to-back empires from the same region in North Africa is a major shift in the history of al-Andalus and is described in the article, this is an important point to include in the lead and there is no reason to remove it. If you think there's another wording that would serve the same purpose better, feel free to discuss it here, but please do not remove this information again without consensus (see relevant policies WP:CONSENSUS and WP:EDITWAR). R Prazeres (talk) 22:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]