Talk:Caravaggio

A daughter?

An editor has added a controversial claim that Caravaggio "had at least one illegitimate daughter by Lavinia Giugioli, the wife or Ranuccio Tommasoni who Caravaggio killed in a duel over the affair". I have never seen a reference to this before. The source cited is a website in Italian. Before we can include this I think we need some robust academic sources that support this suggestion. Thanks Contaldo80 (talk) 09:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

A clear case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT.--Galassi (talk) 13:22, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Notes from a CD? A clear case of not WP:RS. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 15:37, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't like it because it's poor editing. Go figure. Contaldo80 (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Andrew Graham-Dixon covered it nicely and reliably per WP:RS, even if it contradicts your POV.--Galassi (talk) 15:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Simply yelling IDONTLIKEIT when someone raises good faith objections is highly inappropriate. The onus is on you to discuss and present your evidence here before going forward with further edits. And the cite to the CD notes remains NOTRS, even if the rest is kept. Please do not attack others for raising good faith concerns. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 16:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Andrew Graham-Dixon is RS. There is more info coming from his work.--Galassi (talk) 18:49, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Andrew Graham Dixon is well respected. Maybe you could tell us what he actually said before suggesting (spuriously) that we have ignored any evidence presented. What does he actually say in the book - rather than just a newspaper article re-hashing it? Do other historians agree - what do they think? Then let's think carefully about how we put this into the text. There's no point asserting it as true - it remains speculative at most. Contaldo80 (talk) 10:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

"Andrew Graham-Dixon's biography of Caravaggio glosses over the artist's reputation for whoring and brawling." Don't leap to the conclusion that AGD is the last word on the subject. Given the amount of ink that's been devoted to the man it might be worth including a section on biographies and schiolarly interpretations.PiCo (talk) 06:56, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

PiCo you say the telegraph contradicts graham Dixon but haven't quoted the book in full? Contaldo80 (talk) 23:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

How can I quote what isn't there? Graham-Dixon talks about Ranuccio having a baby daughter, but doesn't say or even hint that the child was Caravaggio's. I suggest you get the book from the local library.PiCo (talk) 05:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Actually thinking about this I have read the book and it didn't talk about a potential daughter. The Telegraph is inaccurate. Contaldo80 (talk) 23:45, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Birth day

28 or 29 September? The footnote in the info-box actually shows 29 Sept in the source. RDK also shows 29. The footnote in the main text shows 28 Sept. What should be reported here? Rwos (talk) 08:02, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Michelangelo, the other one

As I know nothing of Renaissance art, when I first stumbled upon this page I thought it was regarding Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni. A simple Google search will show that the world is generally similarly confused. Perhaps the disambiguation or the end of the first paragraph could have something to the effect of, "See Michelangelo for the high renaissance artist of that mononym, Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni. " Jyg (talk) 21:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Well I've changed it, but not like that. Johnbod (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Not starting right out the gate with the name "Michelangelo" was a good idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jyg (talk • contribs) 04:40, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Persuasive Tone

I feel many parts if the article, especially the biography, has an argumentative tone, as if it is an essay being written to convince someone of something. The sixth paragraph under the heading "Beginnings in Rome" states that one of his paintings, "is even more psychologically complex, and perhaps Caravaggio's first true masterpiece." The job of an encyclopedia is not to tell the reader what to think of a painting, artist, politician, etc., it is to inform the reader. Overall, I think some major clean up is needed.

Blipslisle (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree that this article requires serious re-editing. Caravaggio is an important artist and one would expect at least a B rated article. Too much opinion and not enough references. Research since 2011 by Graham-Dixon of the murder of Thomassoni is very convincing that it was a prearranged duel. The argument over a Tennis match was a smokescreen that held for three centuries. It was concocted because duelling was punishable by death. Dorkinglad (talk) 22:29, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Help with missing article

I was asked to create a wikipedia article for Dr. Roberta Lapucci, who I work with, she is a renowned art historian, publish author, university professor, conservator etc. Clearly at the top of her field but somehow missing from here other than her materials being used as foundational reference for this page. What's the correct way to approach this? Should I recuse myself and ask someone here to take care of this omission or, given her clear academic merits, can I submit a draft and disclose my working relationship with dr Lapucci?

thanks in advance, Jacoboss~enwiki (talk) 14:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)