Talk:Melania Trump

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This sentence in the opening section erroneously names Trump, when it presumably meant Melania:

Trump grew up in Slovenia (then part of Yugoslavia) and worked as a fashion model through agencies in the European fashion capitals of Milan and Paris, before moving to New York City in 1996. 2603:8000:3F01:90CD:1A1:427F:456E:F6A2 (talk) 13:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Trump, as in Melania's last name. Who else? Dimadick (talk) 14:33, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

The article is very poorly written. Her main claim to fame is her being the wife of DJT. Using her last married name to identify her in the same article as using it for him is really poor writing.98.21.68.176 (talk) 02:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Pussy

I wonder what the editors were thinking when they claimed "pussy" means vagina?? ("grab them by the pussy - with pussy being slang for vagina") Only the anatomically clueless could believe that grabbing a woman "by her vagina" wouldn't result in serious injury. A quick search online shows the term is slang for (among other things) vulva or vagina and the editors made a pretty egregious blunder. Or perhaps their references did? I didn't track them down, because it is obviously wrong. I don't agree that anatomically pussy only refers to vulva or vagina. I've heard it used to refer to the female groin, crotch, and even pubic mound - as well as the vulva and vagina. I'd politely suggest if an editor doesn't know which part can be "grabbed" then HE (obviously a he) should refrain from editing that section. I do think that it's possible that Trump meant "grope" and used the more neutral term, grab, for that. What he meant exactly can't be known based on the tape. Certainly, it was intended to demean these women and it seems clear he was implying such an assault wouldn't be objected to.98.21.68.176 (talk) 02:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

NPOV problems

The intro of this article is written like a tabloid. "Her stepdaughter Ivanka Trump fulfilled some of the first lady's traditional duties, causing a rivalry between the two". Did either of them say this or is it just speculation? "She was a close advisor to her husband, the only person from whom he accepted frank advice, and he frequently asked her opinion". Again, how do you know that he never accepted "frank" advice from anyone else? This really needs to be fixed (I cannot edit because it is semi-protected) 151.124.107.86 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Final paragraph in intro

It seems to have zero sources or citations - some of these things I'd never heard before. Why is it there? 2601:14D:8B00:6000:E43B:A2CA:788C:70BB (talk) 00:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Most articles actively aim to have zero references in the intro. It's supposed to be a summary of the rest of the article where references are provided. See MOS:LEADCITE. I'm not asserting that's always the case, or the case here, but you should revisit your question with this in mind. If you subsequently find some fault, then being specific helps. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 00:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Policy to remove children from parents who are crossing illegally into the U.S

To claim that the "child separation policy" was Trump's is misleading and false. In fact, it was the policy during the Obama administration. It was President Trump who did away with that policy. Briceand4 (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Sources? EvergreenFir (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Look into ATEP which Obama drastically increased in 2011. It's purpose was not to separate children from parents, just as Trump's policies were not meant to separate children, but when you prosecute adults coming over the border illegally that can be the result. With the huge increase in child trafficking over the border during the Biden administration, children should be separated and questioned to make sure the person they're with is family. Briceand4 (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, claims need to be supported by reliable sources—especially for contentious topics about living people, such as this. You would need to find publications from reputable authors and publishers that explicitly confirm the fact that you want to add. Right now, all of the facts in the article are supported by reliable sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Melania Trump/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Thebiguglyalien (talk · contribs) 22:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Edwininlondon (talk · contribs) 09:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I am happy to review this. I will do it piecemeal. And if you don't mind, I might make the odd minor edit straight away, should I encounter one. Edwininlondon (talk) 09:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Thebiguglyalien, sorry for the delay, but I have finished.

I do not believe this article meets the criteria yet. Main issues:

• too many claims that seem to violate the WP:BLP. See which ones particularly in my comments below, tagged with BLP.
• confusing ways to refer to Melania. Sometimes it is Trump (e.g., The case was decided in Trump's favor, and the amount to be paid to her), sometimes Melania Trump, mostly Melania. And then there are cases when Trump refers to Donald, even after wedding (e.g., "According to Trump, their passive relationship suited him"). I agree it is difficult. I propose the following:

• In the lead, the name use is fine up until marriage to Donald. First, the name change to Melania Trump should be made more obvious, either by explicit statement or how it is in body ("The Trumps"). Second, for the rest of the lead, just use Melania
• In the body text, from marrying Donald onwards, like FAC Edith Roosevelt does, use first name consistently, do not switch.
• Captions: use Melania Trump consistently from marriage onwards
• From marriage onwards, never use Trump to refer to Donald, use Donald (cf. Theodore in FAC Edith Roosevelt)

• One case of unsourced material: Her father denied paternity of the boy, even after it was confirmed by a paternity test.

I'm happy to work with you to see if we can get this to pass, instead of me failing it directly now. I would like to get access to sources though, which I believe you can arrange, right?

Comments (not all needed for GA, but given your First Ladies FA project, I just commented on anything, so feel free to ignore):

• in the lead, is there a reason why second instance of fashion model is linked and not the first?
• she traveled to Milan and Paris to seek modeling work until --> because of the until, I read this as something that happened multiple times. Is that so? Or should it read "stayed"?
• They began dating, and she began a --> repetition
• a more lavish lifestyle --> where in the body text does this come from? and even: do we really need this in the lead?
• she responded to the Access Hollywood tape --> how?
• causing a rivalry between the two --> do we need this in the lead? BLP. Perhaps we first resolve the rivalry issue in the body of text and then come back here.
• 2018 saw several --> In 2018, she ... as per MOS:NUMNOTES
• what about the Siena College Research Institute survey? Did you leave that out of lead on purpose or should it get a mention in the lead?
• As a child, Knavs and other children --> As a child, Knavs, like other children
• At the age of fifteen, Knavs moved to Ljubljana to attend the Secondary School for Design and Photography, attending the school until her graduation at nineteen.[19] She made the long commute from her hometown to the capital and back each day by train. --> so did she move or commute?
• who was on a scouting trip in Europe --> makes it look like this is about Donald Trump. Some rejigging perhaps? Perhaps Knauss modeled for fashion houses in Paris and Milan, where in 1995 she met Metropolitan Models co-owner Paolo Zampolli, who was on a scouting trip in Europe.[13] He was a friend of her future husband Donald Trump. Zampolli became one of the few people who were involved in Knauss's life for a long time.
• Once she arrived in the United States --> Once she resided in the United States
• first major gig --> gig does not strike me as WP tone of voice. I may be wrong of course
• others in the industry have said rumors --> do we want to say this? Is this a place for rumors? BLP
• at the time he had a reputation --> do we have reliable sources for this? Looks like quite a contentious statement, so we should be careful according to BLP
• in the January edition of GQ magazine --> add the year
• Knauss was more compatible with Trump than his previous wives, as she did not have the ambition of his first wife and did not cause public drama like his second wife --> that is quite a matter of fact statement. Better if it can be attributed to someone, or else drop it altogether. See BLP
• Preston Bailey --> is this person notable enough to warrant a page?
• she did not know about the women --> BLP: are we sure to state this as a fact? Better would be "she has said she did not know"
• Besides her American citizenship, both she and her son maintain dual citizenship in Slovenia --> Both she and her son maintain dual citizenship, both in the United States and Slovenia
• less expensive jewelry --> less than what?
• introduced a line of caviar-infused --> could there be an alternative to introduce, as to distinguish it from the word launch in the next line? Maybe "announced"?
• Melania eventually ended the production of her jewelry brand. --> when?
• She did not get along as well with Pence's wife, Karen Pence, with whom she had little in common --> can we attribute this to someone? BLP
• More scandalous nude images --> just stick to facts: More nude images
• An anonymous person who was with Donald when the news broke reported that "red was coming up his neck to his ears". --> BLP I don't think we should be quoting an anonymous person
• The inauguration of Donald Trump took place on January 20, 2017.[153] After her husband was elected president, she announced that she would not move to Washington, D.C. with him --> After the inauguration of Donald as president on January 20, 2017, Melania announced that she would not move to Washington, D.C. with him
• She was also the first Catholic to live in the White House since President John F. Kennedy and his wife Jacqueline and was the second Catholic first lady of the United States --> I would just simply say She was also the second Catholic first lady of the United States to live in the White House, after Jacqueline Kennedy.
• The first lady's absence caused --> Melania's absence from the White House caused
• This was part of a larger rivalry that developed between the two as they both engaged in activity typically in the first lady's purview. --> BLP. Quite the statement, I suggest we drop it or else we back it up with a few more, independent sources.
• After Ivanka organized a screening of Finding Dory in the White House, Melania required that they needed permission before entering the residential area of the building --> I don't have access to the source, so I can't tell, but is this the extent of the rivalry? Or is there more?
• the administration's staff grew unhappy --> BLP. I don't have access to this source but that is quite a sweeping statement, including all of the staff
• among the people in New York --> BLP again, too sweeping I think
• Reid had been unpopular with the staff--> BLP. all of them?
• her usual stoic demeanor --> BLP. do we need this? If so, multiple sources required
• when her husband was well known for attacking people online --> BLP. again, can we back this up firmly?
• The first lady's office responded that spouses such as her and Donald communicate differently --> there is something confusing here but I can't put my finger on it
• Her chief of staff Lindsay Reynolds was removed, with her responsibilities going to Melania's --> bit jarring with two "her"s refering to different people and a Melania thrown in as well
• Much of what she posted directly contradicted what her husband posted, as he discouraged many of the recommended practices.[257] --> BLP. I'd like a few more sources here to back up the "Much" and the "many"
• against Wolkoff --> should that not be Winston Wolkoff, like in previous sentence?
• Despite Donald Trump's loss of the 2020 election --> perhaps for good measure add this source:
• dressed in terrycloth bathrobes --> sounds a bit like unnecessary detail
• overseen through her tenure.[193] Melania was overseeing --> oversee repetition
• reluctant companion to her husband or as a woman who has no independence of her own --> BLP more sources please
• rumors that she had a secret animosity toward her husband --> BLP can we be specific at least which credible sources, multiple, were publishing these rumors?
• as she took a more active role in the administration --> if this is true, then examples of that should be in the earlier sections
• She is often seen as cold --> BLP multiple sources please
• Since the only previous foreign-born first lady had an American father, --> The use of "Since" here suggests some robust research into the public's reasoning. Did that really take place?
• Her approval rating stood at 36–37% --> this looks like it is saying around 36 or 37%, which does not look like a negative number to me. So I'm confused.

I'll look in detail at the sources at the end of the process. Glancing at them, they look good. Edwininlondon (talk) 12:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)