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Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2023

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Thank you for reviewing. Terence directly addresses concerns his views may be considered "mystical" in the clip linked below (fast forward to the end), as he currently is labeled "a mystic" in the first sentence of this Wikipedia article:

"Now I've been accused of mysticism... ... ... And worse."

Is it accurate to label McKenna a mystic, given his frequent criticism of gurism of all kinds, including "Swami Contempo or Guru Garagekey"? Walkingsocialcatalyst (talk) 19:01, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not letting me link to McKenna recordings on YouTube here Walkingsocialcatalyst (talk) 19:28, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 04:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove "mystic" as a label because McKenna was not only not a mystic, but also he mocked being thought of as a mystic (search YouTube for the Peculiar Humor of Terence McKenna (Part 1). 143.178.181.54 (talk) 22:02, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To remove the label, you would you have to be convincing that NO sources labelled him as such. We don't decide he is a mystic or not, the sources do, we just print what they print. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Full of Original Synthesis

This article appears to be full of original synthesis. It has plenty of cites (and indeed external links within the article body that should not be there), and quotes, but they are mostly being used to construct a discussion about McKenna's theories, when the sources and quotes themselves have nothing to do with him or his theories.

Content that is supported by construction of an argument that does not exist in the sources themselves should be removed. Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I now note that some of the content added by Z4i3r7tg6j is the same they were topic banned for on Ephemeralization two years ago. Same extensive quotes, diagrams and original synthesis. All they've done is changed the article targeted, relating it to a completely different person.

It's all been reverted, and I would ask Z4i3r7tg6j to think carefully about what is meant by Original Synthesis and understand how it applies to what they have added.--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 13:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would also argue for Z4i3r7tg6j's 564 edits to Terence McKenna be hidden from the history. The edits by others leading up to the last good state of the article (17 August 2024, less than a month ago) are 1.2 full history pages away, which is unnecessarily inconvenient to get to. Pinging Diannaa for input, if interested. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 15:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For context, if you exclude Z4i3r7tg6j's edits and edits caused by them, the last 500 edits go back to January 2015. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 15:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I personally will not do revision deletion nine years worth of edits. Quotations are not copyvio, no matter how excessive, so I'm not sure the edits would qualify for revision deletion regardless. — Diannaa (talk) 18:30, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only asking for revdel back to 17 August 2024, which is immediately before Z4i3r7tg6j began editing the article. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 19:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why we would revdelete either. But the editor sure is disruptive. Drmies (talk) 13:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]