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Requested move 22 December 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. However, the article text should be in the same variety of English as the title. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]


GreyGrayThis article uses American English, so the title should also be in American English to avoid confusing readers. Amogus girl (talk) 23:35, 22 December 2022 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Adumbrativus (talk) 04:59, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When making my comment, I had not realized there had been two or three previous RMs for this article, depending on how they are counted. The history and discussions are roughly summarized below:
  • Talk:Grey/Archive 1#Page move (26 February – 1 March 2004): The page had used "Gray" when created (by a split on 17 June 2004‎ from an article that used American spelling) until an undiscussed move and unilateral spelling changes to British English (both "grey" and "colour") on 17 February 2005 by an account that still has no other edits in its edit history other than changing the spelling of this article. Someone objected, and the page was moved back to "Gray" (with "color" in the body) after 4 days of discussion. (For day counting purposes, please note that 2004 was a leap year.)
  • Talk:Grey/Archive 1#Requested Move: (There and back again...) (2–11 March 2004): Started immediately after closure of the first RM, putting forth a commonality argument, resulting in "Grey" (but using "color" rather than "colour").
  • Talk:Grey/Archive 1#Requested move 2 (2–20 July 2014): No consensus.
—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:46, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
bruh the article is in American English already Red Slash 23:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:RETAIN. The article is written in American English and was started with the American spelling. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:45, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on aesthetic grounds – I just like "grey" more *shrugs*. It matches well with its pronunciation of /ɡreɪ/. (As my userpage's Babel tags show, I grew up with a mix of English varieties, and barely notice the difference; are readers actually confused by this? Does changing this help avoid confusing readers, or is it motivated by nationalism?) oatco (talk) 21:48, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    On a more serious note, oppose as per MOS:COMMONALITY and MOS:RETAIN (it's been this way for 18 years). Again, on a lighthearted note, I support keeping the current status quo of "grey" but otherwise using the same American spellings that are currently used in the rest of the article. Let this article be a shining example of multiculturalism or something – an international article for an international encyclopedia in a truly international language. oatco (talk) 22:01, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom, and for several reasons:
...per WP:RETAIN, like with User:Rreagan007's comment above. "The article is written in American English and was started with the American spelling."
...per the ngrams' usage data, mentioned by User:Curran919 above. "In AE, gray is 3x as common" (at least), while in BE, grey is only "2x as common". And, "in the whole-english corpus, gray is 30% more common."
...for consistency, like with User:こもれびーさん's comment above. "It dosen’t make sense for the article to be in American English but for the title to be in British English."
...and, per User:BarrelProof's comment above. "If the article is in American English, it should use "gray", not "grey". The "grey" spelling is not common at all in American English. (Maybe Google's Ngram corpus says there is a 3× ratio, but in reality, it's a much higher number.)"
etc. Paintspot Infez (talk) 07:42, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Greyhound" is a breed of dog, not the same word as "grey"/"gray", and is not a simple compound descriptive term, as many Greyhounds are not grey. AFAIK, people in the United States (at least mostly) do not use "Grayhound". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:48, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@YorkshireExpat: Please stop trying to make this into American English Wikipedia. tbh I think that battle was lost long ago; even 15 years back, editors (including Americans) were expressing concern about that tendency and it's only got worse since then. You'd think that after ~20 years a viable solution would've been found for the same argument that comes up in every other topic; that and Wikipedia's unique and bizarre habit of appropriating people's nationalities (it's irritating having to check someone's place of birth and background every time I read a bio here...) --Vometia (talk) 09:42, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose-
  1. Gray is only used in 1 english speaking country where as grey is used in several
  2. The english variant must not be changed without a valid reason and consistancy isn't
NotOrrio (talk) 00:51, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's not true; this move doesn't change the English variant. Red Slash 23:22, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Canadian dialect

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It is true that the word gray of canadian english is more correct by letter a than letter e as im grey for british dialect. I mean gray is reserved for north american dialect. 2404:8000:1027:85F6:40D9:1A4:1AF1:CBC9 (talk) 14:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both are correct in either variety. Summer talk 21:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent dates

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In the etymology section, please change "The first recorded use of grey as a color name in the English language was in 800 CE." to "The first recorded use of grey as a color name in the English language was in 700 CE."

(The date of first usage is different between the lede and etymology sections. Looking at past revisions, they used to both have the 700 CE date). 184.66.244.55 (talk) 05:10, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Note: implementing this requires checking the listed source IMO. I can't find a copy online, but I do have access to a physical version. If someone else makes this decision before I do, please ping me here. --Pinchme123 (talk) 14:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Cool book! It definitely lists both "grey" and "gray" as having entered the English language around 700 CE (my pointe being, there's no dispute in the source about this). --Pinchme123 (talk) 01:04, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Dove gray has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 29 § Dove gray until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]