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scale colors?

Out of curiosity, does someone know where did the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane scale color scheme start out? for example, http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/

the current article (as of sept. 28) uses an alternative scale coloring scheme (white, yellow, orange, red)

Adding Ian

Ian was the third most damaging Atlantic Hurricane on record, only behind Harvey and Katrina. It definitely deserves some spot on this list. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 18:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nope Ian does not deserve a spot as it didnt make landfall as a Category 5 hurricane, as the rule of thumb has been that a system has to both peak and make landfall at the same intensity before it is listed. This is why Katrina isnt included.Jason Rees (talk) 02:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Possible additional source for the section on proposed extensions

The growing inadequacy of an open-ended Saffir–Simpson hurricane wind scale in a warming world, a study by Wehner and Kossin, is currently seeing a lot of media coverage for its findings that a Category 6 is increasingly justified. 166.181.82.178 (talk) 00:46, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. A category 6 for hurricanes seems to be increasingly relevant, and the count of category 5 (and above, when applicable) hurricanes seems to increase lately, and it seems prudent to consider this. --Tanek (talk) 17:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Intuitive Color scheme

This is my proposed color scheme for the Saffir-Simpson scale. Any opinions and suggestions?

Saffir–Simpson scale, 1-minute maximum sustained winds
Category	m/s	knots	mph	km/h
5	≥ 70	≥ 137	≥ 157	≥ 252
4	58–70	113–136	130–156	209–251
3	50–58	96–112	111–129	178–208
2	43–49	83–95	96–110	154–177
1	33–42	64–82	74–95	119–153
TS	18–32	34–63	39–73	63–118
TD	≤ 17	≤ 33	≤ 38	≤ 62

INFIYNJTE (talk) 16:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I like it, but the color scheme will not change anytime soon. From 2021 to 2023, there was a very (very) long debate and discussion pertaining to the tropical storm and tornado color schemes on Wikipedia. For reference, the page linked there, aka the archived discussions about it, is 629,000 bytes (characters) long. Basically, the color scheme is, in complete actuality, permanent to what it is now due to that very long 2-3 year discussion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
understood INFIYNJTE (talk) 16:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I think the old color scheme looks better; and doesn’t blend in as much. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There needs to be at least some blue or green for tropical depression/storm. Otherwise I oppose. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. Added a better color scheme to my proposal. INFIYNJTE (talk) 03:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to the already lengthy color debate that settled on the current scheme. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the color for category 5 as purple is counterintuitive. The color for the other categories are fine. INFIYNJTE (talk) 03:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I made some changes. I think the current color scheme is counterintuitive although it is good visually. Hence, I propose a more intuitive version.

Category 1,2,3,4, TS, and TD can stay the same, but Category 5 should change to a darker red because it signifies it is very dangerous. INFIYNJTE (talk) 18:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you are seriously proposing a change it would have to be handled at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather. That being said, I am rather opposed to this because we already went through a long, arduous, and contentious process when we changed the colors in 2022. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I know you want to make new proposals and such, and I don't want to stop you or anything like that, but honestly, nothing you propose is going to be added. The color-discussion to get the current tropical cyclone/tornado colors took over two years. The colors were changed to better fit colorblindness. In all reality, that consensus will not change, given it involved dozens of editors and so much time and effort. I would recommend scrolling through the discussion itself, as pretty much every combination was discussed and looked at. There is a chance your exact proposal or something almost identical to it was directly voted on and/or discussed in the discussion.

As another smaller point, consensus can change, however, any new discussions need to have new evidence not previously discussed to convince editors why X consensus should be looked at/overturned. Given how long and detailed the discussion is, a smaller post like this isn't going to change that consensus. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, then I will drop my proposal. The other thing took a long time and required rigorous revision to make it color-blind friendly, and that is more important than intuitive color schemes.

Hence, I'm dropping my proposal indefinitely. INFIYNJTE (talk) 19:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cat 5 Section

A "Hipped Roof" is an overhang but the proceeding line claims that no overhangs... Doesn't make sense.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.81.19 (talk) 14:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]