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House of Liechtenstein

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Aren't the rulers of Liechtenstein still Hohenzollerns? --corvus13


I don't you .Check http://www.webtop.com , I have to leave. user:H.J.


I do "you" -- the family name of the rulers of Liechtenstein is "Liechtenstein". They've been around for ages -- since the 12th century, I think -- mostly because of their impressive ability to look completely inoffensive when necessary. Kind of like a hedgehog. -- Paul Drye


No relationship. Have a good day!--Jacob Barsimson talk 06:26, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

William and Wilhelm

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Um... what's the difference between Frederick William I and Friederich Wilhelm I? JHK


JHK, you can see how difficult it is to tell them apart. I just added Der Grosse Kurfuerst to the first one. Please read the titles and about the patent, permit for building. This is what I have written about earlier to MT and you. That was followed all the time, no city or coin or anything was done without a permit. Therefore I believe that if a city and surrounding area write it on record (coins etc) that they were a civitas , they were a Freie Stadt or city state. Otherwise they would not have used it. If they had tried the imperial forces would habe gone after them. user:H.J.

Hi -- I did read them. I've been trying to explain that what you believe to be true is not in fact the case. It could be, but there is no clear way of telling. They could be calling themselves civitas in the sense of "the government and the people". There is no way of telling from one word what was meant (for certain). Also, you assume that nothing was done without a permit -- this is patently untrue. Nothing was supposed to be done without an Imerial license -- But the HRE had no standing army, no unified court system, no unified tax system -- in fact no real central administration! From before Charles IV issued the Golden Bull, and especially aftrwards, the Imperial government was only as powerful as the people who supported it -- and in the case of a great trade city like Hamburg, the license process may have been more along the lines of "We Minted this coin, Mr. Emperor. We're using it. How much do we owe you for the license?" You have to remember that the Emperor had very little authority -- just prestige. In some cases, the Emperor was strong -- but only because he happened to be an Emperor with lots of family lands, money, and his own army attached to family lands and money -- not because of an Imperial tie! JHK
HJ, as JHK is pointing out you are making a basic mistake of people dealing with legal history. Whenever we look at laws as a source of history, we have to ask "did they pass a law against because SO MANY people were doing it?" For instance, there are laws against speeding, murder, tax evasion - all those are common (sort of). There are also laws that are statements of ideals that have very little to do with COMMON human behavior. There are laws against terrorism, which is, thankfully, not as common as speeding. However, both of them have laws against them. Cities sometimes came to exist without legal standing - and then there were decades (literally!) of lawsuits about their standing. --MichaelTinkler

(or sons) made no grammatical sense where it was so I removed it. Some one else removed the list of titles under Friedrich Wilhelm I so I removed the pointer to it. --rmhermen

How should a list without portraits look like?

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House of Hohenzollern#Counts of Hohenzollern (1204–1575)
For example:

The list should contain the following minimum information: Name, reign, relationship with predecessor, birth and death.--Mr. Boston (talk) 10:39, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Historical names

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I think that we should follow the conventions on the discussion page for historical names? Since many, if not most, English speakers aren't as familiar with German history before the end of hte Weimar Republic, I think it would be best to put the name and "of Place", like Albert (or Albrecht) Achilles of Brandenburg, or Friedrich Wilhelm II of Prussia (or Frederick William -- it's hard to say, because more recent sources use the German names, but 50 years ago, they used English -- on the other hand, Karl der Grosse is ALWAYS Charlemagne, and Louis the Pious is never Ludwig the Pious or der Fromme!). Let's see what the others have to say, and maybe look at each one individually -- because there will always be exceptions, like Frederick the Great (well-known in English). JHK

English names make more sense. Sir Tony Britton (talk) 03:36, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Family Tree

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In this revision https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=House_of_Hohenzollern&type=revision&diff=1065576008&oldid=1065550699 I added a family tree. I want a family tree in this article that adequately shows the relationship of the Protestant and Catholic Branches. How can we properly cite such a tree? MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 20:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reason it was removed was that you didn't provide a source for any of this. We cite it by pointing to your source. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 21:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jpgordon: It is created from the infoboxes on all the individual articles, plus the tree in List of monarchs of Prussia. What would the proper format for citation be in this case? Also pardon the moving around of the conversation. I believe something in the tree made me unable to reply and it was unintentionally locked. MaitreyaVaruna (talk) 18:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the tree
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Family tree

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Burkhard I, Lord of Zollern
Frederick I, Count of Zollern
Frederick II, Count of Zollern
Frederick I, Burgrave of Nuremberg
Conrad I, Burgrave of NurembergFrederick IV, Count of Zollern
Frederick III, Burgrave of NurembergSwabian Branch
Frederick III, Burgrave of Nuremberg
John II, Burgrave of Nuremberg
Frederick V, Burgrave of Nuremberg
Frederick I, Elector of Brandenburg
Albrecht III Achilles, Elector of Brandenburg
John Cicero, Elector of Brandenburg
Joachim I Nestor, Elector of BrandenburgFrederick I
of Ansbach
and Bayreuth

1460–1536
Sophia
Jagiellon

1464–1512
Albert
1490-1525-1568
Anna Marie
of Brunswick-
Lüneburg

1532–1568
Joachim II Hector, Elector of BrandenburgSophie of
Brandenburg-
Ansbach-
Kulmbach

1485–1537
Frederick II
of Legnica

1480–1547
Casimir of
Brandenburg-
Bayreuth

1481–527
Susanna
of Bavaria

1502–1543
Hedwig of
Münsterberg
and Oleśnica

1508–1531
George of
Brandenburg-
Ansbach

1484–1543
Emilie
of Saxony

1516–1591
Albert
Frederick

1553-1568-1618
Marie Eleonore
of Cleves

1550–1608
John George
of Brandenburg

1525-1598
Sophie
of Legnica

1525–1546
Marie of
Brandenburg-
Kulmbach

1519–1567
Frederick III,
Elector
Palatine

1515–1576
William I
of Nassau-
Dillenburg

1487–1559
Anna Maria of
Brandenburg-
Ansbach

1526–1589
George Frederick
regent
1539-1577-1603
Anna Sophia
of Prussia

1527–1591
Eleanor
of Prussia

1583–1607
Joachim
Frederick of
Brandenbrug

regent
1546-1605-1608
Catherine of
Brandenburg-
Küstrim

1549–1602
Louis VI,
Elector
Palatine

1539–1583
William I
of the
Netherlands

1533–1584
Elisabeth
of Nassau-
Dillenburg

1542–1603
Sabine of
Württemberg

1549–1581
John VI
of Nassau-
Dillenburg

1536–1606
Magdalene of
Brandenburg

1582–1616
Anna
of Prussia

1576–1625
John Sigismund
1572-1618-1619
regent
1611–1618
Anna Maria of
the Palatinate

1561–1589
Frederick IV,
Elector
Palatine

1574–1610
Louise Juliana
of Nassau

1576–1644
John Albert I
of Solms-
Braunfels
John VII
of Nassau-
Siegen

1561–1623
John VII of
Mecklenburg

1558–1592
Anne Eleonore
of Hesse-
Darmstadt

1601–1659
George
William

1595-1619-1640
Elizabeth
Charlotte
of the Palatinate

1597–1660
Frederick V
Elector
Palatine

1596–1632
Frederick
Henry of
Orange

1584–1617
Amalia
of Solms-
Braunfels

1602–1675
Maurice of
Hesse-Kassel

1572–1632
Juliane
of Nassau-
Dillenburg

1587–1643
George William
of Saxe-
Lauenburg

1624–1705
Ernest
Augustus
of Hanover

1629–1698
Sophia of the
Palatinate

1630–1714
Frederick
William

1620-1640-1688
Louise
Henriette
of Orange

1627–1667
John Albert of
Mecklenburg

1590–1636
Sophia
Dorothea
of Celle

1666–1726
George I
of Great
Britain

1660–1727
Sophia
Charlotte
of Hanover

1688–1705
Frederick I
1657-1688-1713
Catherine
of Sweden

1584–1638
John Casimir
of Kleeburg

1589–1652
Caroline
of Ansbach

1683–1737
George II of
Great Britain

1683–1760
Sophia
Dorothea
of Hanover

1687–1757
Frederick
William I

1688–1713-1740
Louis IX
of Hesse-
Darmstadt

1719–1790
Eleonora
Catherine of
Zweibrücken

1626–1692
Frederick
of Hesse-
Eschwege

1617–1655
Elisabeth
Sophie of
Mecklenburg

1613–1676
Frederick,
Prince of Wales

1707–1751
Augusta of
Saxe-Gotha

1719–1772
Charles Louis
Frederick of
Mecklenburg

1708–1752
Elisabeth
Albertine
of Saxe-
Hildburghausen

1713–1761
Christine
of Hesse-
Eschwege

1648–1702
Ferdinand
Albert I of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel

1636–1687
George III of
the United
Kingdom

1738–1820
Charlotte of
Mecklenburg-
Strelitz

11744–1818
Charles II of
Mecklenburg-
Strelitz

1741–1816
Antoinette of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel

1696–1762
Ferdinand
Albert II of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel

1680–1735
Amalie
of Hesse-
Darmstadt

1754–1832
Augustus
William of
Prussia

1722–1758
Luise of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel

1722–1780
Frederick II
the Great

1712-1740-1786
Elisabeth
Christine
of Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel

1715–1797
Philippine
Charlotte
of Prussia

1716–1801
Charles I of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel

1713–1780
Louise
of Hesse-
Darmstadt

1757–1830
Caroline
of Baden

1776–1841
William IV
of the United
Kingdom

1765–1837
Sophie
Antoinette
of Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel

1724–1802
Frederica
Louisa of
Hesse-
Darmstadt

1751–1805
Frederick
William II

1744-1786-1797
Elizabeth
Christine of
Brunswick-
Woldenbüttel

1746–1840
Augusta
of Great
Britain

1737–1813
Charles
William of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel

1735–1806
Francis of
Saxe-Coburg-
Saalfeld
1750–1806
Frederick
William III

1770-1797-1840
Louise of
Mecklenburg-
Strelitz

1776–1810
Charles
Frederick of
Saxe-Weimar-
Eisenach

1783–1853
Caroline of
Brunswick-
Wolfenbüttel

1768–1821
George IV of
the United
Kingdom

1762–1830
Frederick
of York and
Albany

1763–1827
Frederica
Charlotte
of Prussia

1767–1820
Edward
of Kent and
Strathearn

1767–1820
Victoria of
Saxe-Coburg-
Saalfeld

1786–1861
Emich Carl
of Leiningen

1763–1814
Ernerst I of
Saxe-Coburg
and Gotha

1784–1844
Louise of
Saxe-Gotha-
Altenburg

1800–1831
William I
the Great

1797-1861-1888
Augusta
of Saxe-
Weimar-
Eisenach

1811–1890
Caroline
Matilda
of Great
Britain

1751–1775
Frederick
William IV

of Prussia

1795-1840-1861
Elisabeth
Ludovika
of Bavaria

1801–1873
Victoria of
the United
Kingdom

1819–1901
Albert of
Saxe-Coburg
and Gotha

1819–1861
Louise
Augusta
of Denmark

1771–1843
Frederick
Christian II
of Schleswig-
Holstein

1765–1814
Feodora of
Leiningen

1807–1872
Ernest I of
Hohenlohe-
Langenburg

1794–1860
Victoria of
the United
Kingdom

1840–1901
Frederick III
1831-1888-1888
Louise
Sophie of
Danneskiold-
Samsøe

1796–1867
Christian
August II of
Augustenburg

1798–1869
Adelheid of
Hohenlohe-
Langenburg

1835–1900
Frederick VIII
of Schleswig-
Holstein

1829–1880
Frederick
Francis II of
Mecklenburg-
Schwerin

1823–1883
Augusta
Reuss of
Köstritz

1822–1862
Alexander II
of Russia

1818-1855-1881
Maria of
Hesse and
by Rhine

1824–1880
Augusta
Victoria of
Schleswig-
Holstein

1858–1921
William II
1859-1888-1918-1941
in pretence
1918–1941
Frederick
Francis III of
Mecklenburg
Schwerin

1851–1897
Marie of
Mecklenburg-
Schwerin

1854–1920
Vladimir
Alexandrovich
of Russia

1847–1909
Maria
Alexandrovna
of Russia

1853–1920
Alfred of
Saxe-Coburg
and Gotha

1844–1900
Frederick
William V

in pretence
1882-1941-1951
Cecilie of
Mecklenburg-
Schwerin

1886–1945
Kirill
Vladimirovich
of Russia

1876–1938
Victoria
Melita of
Saxe-Coburg
and Gotha

1876–1936
Louis
Ferdinand

in pretence
1907-1951-1994
Kira
Kirillovna
of Russia

1909–1967
Donata
of Castell-
Rüdenhausen
1950–2015
Louis
Ferdinand
of Prussia
1944–1977
George
Frederick

in pretence
1976-1994-